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Politics have crept into every aspect of life unfortunately.

wyclif 7y ago
Still quite difficult for normies to get to the 15 reputation threshold on SO in order to begin using the site effectively. There are problems here that run a lot deeper than political correctness, though I don't want to minimize how cancerous that has been.
- SnarkAsh 7y ago
  "normies"?
  - ilvez 7y ago
    I think wyclif means casual users, who want to participate in SE community by answering questions.
    - wyclif 7y ago
      Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Ordinary techies and devs who come for answers and aren't invested in the culture and politics of SE because they may not know much about it.
  - ddebernardy 7y ago
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie
0x262d 7y ago
well, everything is political for most people who aren't fortunate enough to be born as the default universally accepted type of person, with enough money to not worry too much about that either. most of the conflict here comes from dealing with people who can't accept that everything is politicized and their actions matter along a political dimension whether they care or not.
Espressosaurus 7y ago
Politics is part of every human endeavor: between kids on the playground, in the workplace, at the level of local, regional, national, and international governments and businesses. Politics and the negotiation of status and access between various in and out groups is a fundamental part of being human.
- tim58 7y ago
  Thank you. There is a tendency in tech people to dismiss politics as less than important ("just politics", "just political"). It's a fundamental part of our social fabric.
  - lukifer 7y ago
    Simler & Hanson provide a pretty solid explanatory framework: http://elephantinthebrain.com/ http://elephantinthebrain.com/
    - raxxorrax 7y ago
      Have only read parts of that, but describing attributes to human nature mostly fails to do so and attaches them to the author instead. No, not everything is political. From that perspective you could substitute the term politics with "battle for share", which can be political, but doesn't encompass the whole set of politics. You can even generalize that further and it gets more primitive along the way: "Every day is a battle for survival" Of course it is political play to attach attributes to groups and then highlighting fault lines. But it is the most primitive form of what many people call politics. And since it doesn't accomplish anything productive, many people have the need to remove politics from platforms like SE, because they just see it as a distraction to the topic at hand and is pitting people against each other. Pronouns do that, most of the gender discussion does that and now we have also started a new discussions about racism that won't net positive results. All because some people crave some validation? Maybe that is not always the case, but it seems that people wanted a conflict and that is what they got.
      - 7y ago

Still quite difficult for normies to get to the 15 reputation threshold on SO in order to begin using the site effectively. There are problems here that run a lot deeper than political correctness, though I don't want to minimize how cancerous that has been.

SnarkAsh 7y ago
"normies"?
- ilvez 7y ago
  I think wyclif means casual users, who want to participate in SE community by answering questions.
  - wyclif 7y ago
    Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Ordinary techies and devs who come for answers and aren't invested in the culture and politics of SE because they may not know much about it.
- ddebernardy 7y ago
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary#Normie

0x262d 7y ago

well, everything is political for most people who aren't fortunate enough to be born as the default universally accepted type of person, with enough money to not worry too much about that either. most of the conflict here comes from dealing with people who can't accept that everything is politicized and their actions matter along a political dimension whether they care or not.

Espressosaurus 7y ago

Politics is part of every human endeavor: between kids on the playground, in the workplace, at the level of local, regional, national, and international governments and businesses. Politics and the negotiation of status and access between various in and out groups is a fundamental part of being human.

tim58 7y ago
Thank you. There is a tendency in tech people to dismiss politics as less than important ("just politics", "just political"). It's a fundamental part of our social fabric.
- lukifer 7y ago
  Simler & Hanson provide a pretty solid explanatory framework: http://elephantinthebrain.com/ http://elephantinthebrain.com/
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    Have only read parts of that, but describing attributes to human nature mostly fails to do so and attaches them to the author instead. No, not everything is political. From that perspective you could substitute the term politics with "battle for share", which can be political, but doesn't encompass the whole set of politics. You can even generalize that further and it gets more primitive along the way: "Every day is a battle for survival" Of course it is political play to attach attributes to groups and then highlighting fault lines. But it is the most primitive form of what many people call politics. And since it doesn't accomplish anything productive, many people have the need to remove politics from platforms like SE, because they just see it as a distraction to the topic at hand and is pitting people against each other. Pronouns do that, most of the gender discussion does that and now we have also started a new discussions about racism that won't net positive results. All because some people crave some validation? Maybe that is not always the case, but it seems that people wanted a conflict and that is what they got.
    - 7y ago