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If I had to choose one of the following, to improve society: a). More women in tech b). More men in childcare/teaching It'd be 'b' without a doubt. As sai

by axod 16y ago

If I had to choose one of the following, to improve society: a). More women in tech b). More men in childcare/teaching It'd be 'b' without a doubt. As said elsewhere, the complete lack of any male role models at a large number of schools is astonishing and very worrying. Is it any wonder girls are performing better than boys these days, as the number of male teachers has decreased to almost none? Great to finally see an article like this one.

joe_the_user 16y ago
Well, we don't need to choose. In fact, it seems like each would support the other.
maxawaytoolong 16y ago
Does it really make any difference? I grew up in an anachronistic small town and had at least 50% male teachers from 1st grade on up. I can't say I paid attention to any of my teachers, male or female. If anything, I thought the male teachers were much bigger idiots and losers than the female teachers. In no way did I view them as "role models."
- flatline 16y ago
  It could make a difference. If fewer women are interested in technical/scientific fields, and we have all or predominately female teachers, the education (and enthusiasm) in technical fields will be lacking. There's no reason that trend in gender interests cannot change but at the present there is an imbalance.
- oiuhjyftgrdgh 16y ago
  Suppose you are black kid in the inner city and none of your teachers are black, cos they might be criminals or a muslim kid and none of your teachers are brown (terrorists) - you might have some doubts about whether you can be a teacher or whether school is for you.
- axod 16y ago
  I think a lot of it is subconsciously consumed. Also if you were lucky to have a good male role model at home - father/older siblings, then perhaps male teachers weren't important to you. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that boys learn best when taught by men, and girls learn best when taught by women. Male and female brains are very different, and we think differently about problems. So if your school has 80% women teachers, then the girls are going to do better on average than the boys in that school, which is concerning.
kenjackson 16y ago
I have to admit I'd go the complete opposite. I do know there are great male teachers, but in environments where the male teacher might be alone with children I am hesitant. The data bears this out, as does personal experience. With that said male coaches or piano teachers or tutors I have no problem with, since those generally take place in plainsight of parents. I know that really sucks for the good ones, and most are. But there are enough bad ones that the risk seems too great.
- rgraham 16y ago
  Citation? What evidence shows that there are enough bad ones? Cherry picked news stories by for-profit media? What if all the good ones packed up and left when they were treated like predators-to-be?
  - kenjackson 16y ago
    One of the better papers to read is http://www.ipt-forensics.com/library/female.htm http://www.ipt-forensics.com/library/female.htm It is specifically about lifting the lid on abuse perpetuated by females, and not a "cherry picked" story. Here's a site that is more numbers focused: http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html Here are some numbers: Nearly all the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%). - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice Males are reported to be the abusers in 80-95% of cases -Thoringer, D., et al., 1988 All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male. -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991. The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense. -Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.
    - vacri 16y ago
      Where are the stats about male /teachers/ alone with pupils having a worrying level of sexual predation, which is what you claimed.
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sarkozy 16y ago
More men are not needed in childcare/teaching because women are naturally - from birth - better at the type of empathy and communication that is required in those fields. It's the same reason that women excel in technology management roles (while generally being inferior in technical roles because of inadequate training or aptitude, exceptional cases like Marissa Mayer excepted). Even a woman with average communication/empathy skills relative to other women (emphasis on 'empathy' - because this is what really separates men from women in communication) is often far better at management/planning than 99.99% of male technologists.
- varjag 16y ago
  I guess that's why most of the successful tech CEOs are female.
  - sarkozy 16y ago
    You're defining 'successful' in monetary terms while I'm more concerned with the psychological health of the working environment. I'm saying women are better managers because they are less prone to the types of socially tone-deaf interpersonal problems you see lampooned in Dilbert. In other words, if I had to choose between a male manager who could create a succesful company versus a female manager who knew how to foster a harmonious working environment, I would choose the harmonious working environment over monetary "success" every time. In the end, what does it matter to me if the company I work for is financially successful or not? On the other hand, if my manager is able to help create an environment that is more pleasant for every involved, that's something I'm interested in and that's where I think women in general are more naturally capable than men.
    - varjag 16y ago
      Why yes, business success is defined in monetary terms. Good CEO brings good money to the company. But to bring it back to the subject, my son's kindergarten was 1/2 staffed by males (we're in Norway). He loved every minute of it.
- axod 16y ago
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- rfrey 16y ago
  What? Axod said, "If I had to choose..." not that the choices were mutually exclusive. Comparing the question to another question that's more frequently discussed in order to highlight its significance is not the same as a false dichotomy fallacy.

by axod 16y ago

joe_the_user 16y ago

Well, we don't need to choose. In fact, it seems like each would support the other.

maxawaytoolong 16y ago

Does it really make any difference? I grew up in an anachronistic small town and had at least 50% male teachers from 1st grade on up. I can't say I paid attention to any of my teachers, male or female. If anything, I thought the male teachers were much bigger idiots and losers than the female teachers. In no way did I view them as "role models."

flatline 16y ago
It could make a difference. If fewer women are interested in technical/scientific fields, and we have all or predominately female teachers, the education (and enthusiasm) in technical fields will be lacking. There's no reason that trend in gender interests cannot change but at the present there is an imbalance.
oiuhjyftgrdgh 16y ago
Suppose you are black kid in the inner city and none of your teachers are black, cos they might be criminals or a muslim kid and none of your teachers are brown (terrorists) - you might have some doubts about whether you can be a teacher or whether school is for you.
axod 16y ago
I think a lot of it is subconsciously consumed. Also if you were lucky to have a good male role model at home - father/older siblings, then perhaps male teachers weren't important to you. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that boys learn best when taught by men, and girls learn best when taught by women. Male and female brains are very different, and we think differently about problems. So if your school has 80% women teachers, then the girls are going to do better on average than the boys in that school, which is concerning.

kenjackson 16y ago

I have to admit I'd go the complete opposite. I do know there are great male teachers, but in environments where the male teacher might be alone with children I am hesitant. The data bears this out, as does personal experience. With that said male coaches or piano teachers or tutors I have no problem with, since those generally take place in plainsight of parents. I know that really sucks for the good ones, and most are. But there are enough bad ones that the risk seems too great.

rgraham 16y ago
Citation? What evidence shows that there are enough bad ones? Cherry picked news stories by for-profit media? What if all the good ones packed up and left when they were treated like predators-to-be?
- kenjackson 16y ago
  One of the better papers to read is http://www.ipt-forensics.com/library/female.htm http://www.ipt-forensics.com/library/female.htm It is specifically about lifting the lid on abuse perpetuated by females, and not a "cherry picked" story. Here's a site that is more numbers focused: http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html http://www.yellodyno.com/html/child_molester_stats.html Here are some numbers: Nearly all the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%). - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice Males are reported to be the abusers in 80-95% of cases -Thoringer, D., et al., 1988 All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male. -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991. The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense. -Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.
  - vacri 16y ago
    Where are the stats about male /teachers/ alone with pupils having a worrying level of sexual predation, which is what you claimed.

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sarkozy 16y ago

More men are not needed in childcare/teaching because women are naturally - from birth - better at the type of empathy and communication that is required in those fields. It's the same reason that women excel in technology management roles (while generally being inferior in technical roles because of inadequate training or aptitude, exceptional cases like Marissa Mayer excepted). Even a woman with average communication/empathy skills relative to other women (emphasis on 'empathy' - because this is what really separates men from women in communication) is often far better at management/planning than 99.99% of male technologists.

varjag 16y ago
I guess that's why most of the successful tech CEOs are female.
- sarkozy 16y ago
  You're defining 'successful' in monetary terms while I'm more concerned with the psychological health of the working environment. I'm saying women are better managers because they are less prone to the types of socially tone-deaf interpersonal problems you see lampooned in Dilbert. In other words, if I had to choose between a male manager who could create a succesful company versus a female manager who knew how to foster a harmonious working environment, I would choose the harmonious working environment over monetary "success" every time. In the end, what does it matter to me if the company I work for is financially successful or not? On the other hand, if my manager is able to help create an environment that is more pleasant for every involved, that's something I'm interested in and that's where I think women in general are more naturally capable than men.
  - varjag 16y ago
    Why yes, business success is defined in monetary terms. Good CEO brings good money to the company. But to bring it back to the subject, my son's kindergarten was 1/2 staffed by males (we're in Norway). He loved every minute of it.
axod 16y ago

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rfrey 16y ago
What? Axod said, "If I had to choose..." not that the choices were mutually exclusive. Comparing the question to another question that's more frequently discussed in order to highlight its significance is not the same as a false dichotomy fallacy.