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For me the last straw was notarization. I am not going to beg for permission to release software for Apple's platform. Considering the dire state of the Mac sof

by mantap 7y ago

For me the last straw was notarization. I am not going to beg for permission to release software for Apple's platform. Considering the dire state of the Mac software scene Apple should be the ones on their hands and knees begging developers, the arrogance is incredible.

galad87 7y ago
Notarization is an automated process, it's not an app review, there is no "begging". Anyway, you can just run unsigned apps on macOS.
- ttoinou 7y ago
  Yes, but for how long is this going to last?
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    According to a slide at WWDC this year, there’s always going to be a way to do this.
sjwright 7y ago
Apps aren't required to be notarized and it trivial for any vaguely competent person to dismiss the one-time warnings about unsigned apps. So it's only a big deal if you choose to make it one. To be perfectly honest, if you can't even jump through that absurdly minimal hoop, I wouldn't want your software running on my mother's computer anyway.
- mantap 7y ago
  Apps are required to be notarised. You can turn the requirement off, but that doesn't negate its existence. I hope you and your mother are happy living without open source software. No good deed goes unpunished.
  - galad87 7y ago
    Signed apps are required to be notarized. Unsigned app will run like before (right click -> open in Finder).
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    > Apps are required to be notarized. You can turn the requirement off, but that doesn't negate its existence. I don't understand what you're saying here. Users can run apps that aren't notarized. Therefore, developers are not required to notarize their apps. If you want users who refuse to run non-notarized apps to be able to run your app, you'll have to notarize your app...
zapzupnz 7y ago
> the arrogance is incredible Every time I see a developer completely fail to understand what notarisation is and how it works then proceed to say that their faulty understanding was the last straw and that they'll stop developing for macOS, I can't say I feel anything but delight. If basic reading comprehension is beyond so many developers, I can't imagine wanting their code on my machine, even in a sandbox. The arrogance is incredible, indeed.
- notarized_off 7y ago
  It's a power grab. University students and people from countries on the US trade sanctions list will (I predict) not be able to share binaries in a future macOS, for example. It also gives apple a way to ban certain categories of program at the behest of the legal apparatus they have to operate in. You can turn it off now, but you can't tell me you will always be able to turn it off. I will abandon macOS when it is financially convenient - I hope you are delighted.
- mantap 7y ago
  I used to write a lot of apps for Mac. Including free and open source software. Now I have to pay $$$ and jump through hoops just to keep on doing it. It is amazingly arrogant for them to expect me to pay for doing them a free service. You can have as much autoschadenfreude as you want.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't be a jerk on HN, even if another comment was provocative. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by mantap 7y ago

galad87 7y ago

Notarization is an automated process, it's not an app review, there is no "begging". Anyway, you can just run unsigned apps on macOS.

ttoinou 7y ago
Yes, but for how long is this going to last?
- saagarjha 7y ago
  According to a slide at WWDC this year, there’s always going to be a way to do this.

sjwright 7y ago

Apps aren't required to be notarized and it trivial for any vaguely competent person to dismiss the one-time warnings about unsigned apps. So it's only a big deal if you choose to make it one. To be perfectly honest, if you can't even jump through that absurdly minimal hoop, I wouldn't want your software running on my mother's computer anyway.

mantap 7y ago
Apps are required to be notarised. You can turn the requirement off, but that doesn't negate its existence. I hope you and your mother are happy living without open source software. No good deed goes unpunished.
- galad87 7y ago
  Signed apps are required to be notarized. Unsigned app will run like before (right click -> open in Finder).
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  > Apps are required to be notarized. You can turn the requirement off, but that doesn't negate its existence. I don't understand what you're saying here. Users can run apps that aren't notarized. Therefore, developers are not required to notarize their apps. If you want users who refuse to run non-notarized apps to be able to run your app, you'll have to notarize your app...

zapzupnz 7y ago

> the arrogance is incredible Every time I see a developer completely fail to understand what notarisation is and how it works then proceed to say that their faulty understanding was the last straw and that they'll stop developing for macOS, I can't say I feel anything but delight. If basic reading comprehension is beyond so many developers, I can't imagine wanting their code on my machine, even in a sandbox. The arrogance is incredible, indeed.

notarized_off 7y ago
It's a power grab. University students and people from countries on the US trade sanctions list will (I predict) not be able to share binaries in a future macOS, for example. It also gives apple a way to ban certain categories of program at the behest of the legal apparatus they have to operate in. You can turn it off now, but you can't tell me you will always be able to turn it off. I will abandon macOS when it is financially convenient - I hope you are delighted.
mantap 7y ago
I used to write a lot of apps for Mac. Including free and open source software. Now I have to pay $$$ and jump through hoops just to keep on doing it. It is amazingly arrogant for them to expect me to pay for doing them a free service. You can have as much autoschadenfreude as you want.
dang 7y ago
Please don't be a jerk on HN, even if another comment was provocative. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html