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If birth rates decline and immigration is stymied, the United States is going to find itself in an extremely difficult position with entitlement programs, whic

If birth rates decline and immigration is stymied, the United States is going to find itself in an extremely difficult position with entitlement programs, which largely depend on the working population being as large, or larger, than the retired population, for adequate funding.

ModernMech 7y ago
If? "The United States’ birthrate fell for a fourth consecutive year in 2018, bringing the number of people born in the country to its lowest level in 32 years" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/us/us-birthrate-decrease.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/us/us-birthrate-decrease.... I don't think I need a citation to support the claim that the US is also currently trying to stymie immigration.
- greatestdana 7y ago
  No citation? No citation! The US is the most welcoming, does the best and greatest job at welcoming all immigrants from non-sh*thole countries! Countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark. All the great countries! No collusion no collusion. China should really investigate the Biden crooks btw.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't do this here.
standardUser 7y ago
Up until now, the US has largely bucked this trend due to our above average immigration rates. The worst hit developed nation? Japan, which happens to have the most restrictive immigration policies. We limit immigration at our own peril.
zanny 7y ago
This thinking is counter to acknowledging the modern automation revolution. Wealth and productivity are largely becoming detached from people, and as such the sources of revenue western nations use to fund entitlements wouldn't be going to go away as people age out of hard labor years if the tax burden was on the corporate entities rather than individual income / social security / etc taxes. The money is still there and will likely not go anywhere except into fewer hands and pockets. Its up to societies to actually adjust their tax model to curtail it.
- marcosdumay 7y ago
  Productivity gains are slowing down at the developed world (and the developing one too). It's a widely discussed phenomenon on economics cycles, and mostly people seem to have no idea why that is happening. There's a nice US graph here: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/productivity#historical https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/productivity#hist... An OECD study that goes up to 2005: http://www.oecd.org/employment/labour-stats/41354425.pdf http://www.oecd.org/employment/labour-stats/41354425.pdf
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    >Productivity gains are slowing down at the developed world (and the developing one too). It's a widely discussed phenomenon on economics cycles, and mostly people seem to have no idea why that is happening. I moved to western Europe and realized why. Millennials there don't want to take part in the competitive rat race to be productive as their boomer parents have bought plenty of properties when real estate was cheap and salaries were high enough that even a factory worker in the 70's could afford a large apartment. They will later inherit said properties so they feel no pressure to get into high stress jobs since they are basically taken care of for life. So why bother? The only people I know who are constantly grinding and hustling here are immigrants who don't own any real estate so they're constantly working to afford to get on the property ladder.
    - marcosdumay 7y ago
      Ok... Do you realize that productivity has no relation with how hard one works, don't you?

ModernMech 7y ago

If? "The United States’ birthrate fell for a fourth consecutive year in 2018, bringing the number of people born in the country to its lowest level in 32 years" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/us/us-birthrate-decrease.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/us/us-birthrate-decrease.... I don't think I need a citation to support the claim that the US is also currently trying to stymie immigration.

greatestdana 7y ago
No citation? No citation! The US is the most welcoming, does the best and greatest job at welcoming all immigrants from non-sh*thole countries! Countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark. All the great countries! No collusion no collusion. China should really investigate the Biden crooks btw.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't do this here.

standardUser 7y ago

Up until now, the US has largely bucked this trend due to our above average immigration rates. The worst hit developed nation? Japan, which happens to have the most restrictive immigration policies. We limit immigration at our own peril.

zanny 7y ago

This thinking is counter to acknowledging the modern automation revolution. Wealth and productivity are largely becoming detached from people, and as such the sources of revenue western nations use to fund entitlements wouldn't be going to go away as people age out of hard labor years if the tax burden was on the corporate entities rather than individual income / social security / etc taxes. The money is still there and will likely not go anywhere except into fewer hands and pockets. Its up to societies to actually adjust their tax model to curtail it.

marcosdumay 7y ago
Productivity gains are slowing down at the developed world (and the developing one too). It's a widely discussed phenomenon on economics cycles, and mostly people seem to have no idea why that is happening. There's a nice US graph here: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/productivity#historical https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/productivity#hist... An OECD study that goes up to 2005: http://www.oecd.org/employment/labour-stats/41354425.pdf http://www.oecd.org/employment/labour-stats/41354425.pdf
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  >Productivity gains are slowing down at the developed world (and the developing one too). It's a widely discussed phenomenon on economics cycles, and mostly people seem to have no idea why that is happening. I moved to western Europe and realized why. Millennials there don't want to take part in the competitive rat race to be productive as their boomer parents have bought plenty of properties when real estate was cheap and salaries were high enough that even a factory worker in the 70's could afford a large apartment. They will later inherit said properties so they feel no pressure to get into high stress jobs since they are basically taken care of for life. So why bother? The only people I know who are constantly grinding and hustling here are immigrants who don't own any real estate so they're constantly working to afford to get on the property ladder.
  - marcosdumay 7y ago
    Ok... Do you realize that productivity has no relation with how hard one works, don't you?