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If you watch his press conference, he seems to be taking a public health angle. He has three sons within his marriage in the same region as his 17 in vitro chil

by Donald 7y ago

If you watch his press conference, he seems to be taking a public health angle. He has three sons within his marriage in the same region as his 17 in vitro children. There's increased risk of inbreeding between these 20 people who (unknowingly to one another) share significant genetic material. https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/10/oregon-doctor-says-his-donated-sperm-was-used-to-father-at-least-17-children-sues-ohsu-for-525-million.html https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/10/oregon-doctor-says-h...

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SkyBelow 7y ago
Is that really a health concern though? Single generation shouldn't have risks higher than some already at risk people have no matter who they partner with.
- reitanqild 7y ago
  What I've learned is that there's significant risk even for cousins who have children together, so even more for half siblings.
  - pgeorgi 7y ago
    ... if the cousins' parents and grandparents are similarly closely related to each other, yes. Otherwise probably not.
  - jacobolus 7y ago
    My understanding is that 1 generation of first-cousin marriage is very low risk. The problem comes when you have many generations of family marriages in a row. The Catholic church tried to make cousin marriages taboo as a way to break up clans and solidify church power.
  - blueblimp 7y ago
    You're right. It's weird that people are rushing in here to defend inbreeding. What people might not realize is even when there's not a specific disease caused by the inbreeding, there is still an overall negative effect on health, "inbreeding depression". Here is a paper that estimates the effect in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26131930 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26131930.
- blueblimp 7y ago
  Anything first cousin or closer is bad. Second cousin is kinda bad. Third cousin is OK if it's not happening all the time.
apta 7y ago
> There's increased risk of inbreeding between these 20 people who (unknowingly to one another) share significant genetic material. Which is why this whole thing is immoral (not to mention dangerous) to begin with. How can you not assign children to both the (real/biological) father and mother to keep track of these things?
- buboard 7y ago
  because genetic testing will also exist in the future
  - apta 7y ago
    It's not a solution. Not everyone is going to get tested before they get married. It's interesting how far left/liberal culture today mocks communities that have cousin marriages as "inbred" and "backward", yet they engage in severe and reckless practices that we have no idea how they're going to pan out.
    - buboard 7y ago
      I 'm pretty sure they will / especially if they don't know their biological father.
      - aidenn0 7y ago
        1. Not everybody knows that they don't know their biological father. 2. My wife is adopted, has had some contact with her biological mother, but zero reliable information on her biological father (her bio mom lies about pretty much everything). She has shown no interest in the various genetic tests out there, even though she has to keep on writing on those health forms at her doctor "unknown" for all the "Does X run in your family" questions.
        buboard 7y ago
        understand. i would assume though that people who are missing info about one of their parents are more likely to use those services

by Donald 7y ago

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SkyBelow 7y ago

Is that really a health concern though? Single generation shouldn't have risks higher than some already at risk people have no matter who they partner with.

reitanqild 7y ago
What I've learned is that there's significant risk even for cousins who have children together, so even more for half siblings.
- pgeorgi 7y ago
  ... if the cousins' parents and grandparents are similarly closely related to each other, yes. Otherwise probably not.
- jacobolus 7y ago
  My understanding is that 1 generation of first-cousin marriage is very low risk. The problem comes when you have many generations of family marriages in a row. The Catholic church tried to make cousin marriages taboo as a way to break up clans and solidify church power.
- blueblimp 7y ago
  You're right. It's weird that people are rushing in here to defend inbreeding. What people might not realize is even when there's not a specific disease caused by the inbreeding, there is still an overall negative effect on health, "inbreeding depression". Here is a paper that estimates the effect in humans: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26131930 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26131930.
blueblimp 7y ago
Anything first cousin or closer is bad. Second cousin is kinda bad. Third cousin is OK if it's not happening all the time.

apta 7y ago

> There's increased risk of inbreeding between these 20 people who (unknowingly to one another) share significant genetic material. Which is why this whole thing is immoral (not to mention dangerous) to begin with. How can you not assign children to both the (real/biological) father and mother to keep track of these things?

buboard 7y ago
because genetic testing will also exist in the future
- apta 7y ago
  It's not a solution. Not everyone is going to get tested before they get married. It's interesting how far left/liberal culture today mocks communities that have cousin marriages as "inbred" and "backward", yet they engage in severe and reckless practices that we have no idea how they're going to pan out.
  - buboard 7y ago
    I 'm pretty sure they will / especially if they don't know their biological father.
    - aidenn0 7y ago
      1. Not everybody knows that they don't know their biological father. 2. My wife is adopted, has had some contact with her biological mother, but zero reliable information on her biological father (her bio mom lies about pretty much everything). She has shown no interest in the various genetic tests out there, even though she has to keep on writing on those health forms at her doctor "unknown" for all the "Does X run in your family" questions.
      - buboard 7y ago
        understand. i would assume though that people who are missing info about one of their parents are more likely to use those services