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Other, and actually main, reason is that good public transport decreases cost of land, it is basically designed to do so: it makes more places liveable/jobs rea

Other, and actually main, reason is that good public transport decreases cost of land, it is basically designed to do so: it makes more places liveable/jobs reachable, so there is effectively more land for the same amount of people. So everyone will vote against or they lose their pensions. Want to fix this? Sure, easy, just scrap the democracy and just don't ask people, send those who object, to "re-education" camps. Or scrap market economy: if all land is government-owned, it won't be an issue at all. More and better public transport in EU? For same reasons: less democracy and less market economy. More government-owner land, larger fraction of renters who just want cheaper rents (and public transport gives it to them), and they vote in the right direction, less legal opportunities for NIMBYsm.

bamboozled 7y ago
“Want to fix this? Sure, easy, just scrap the democracy and just don't ask people, send those who object, to "re-education" camps. Or scrap market economy: if all land is government-owned, it won't be an issue at all.“ Ever been to Japan?
simion314 7y ago
Very interesting conclusion there, "all countries with good infrastructure are not democratic" , it also contradicts the fact that you have public roads, you logic applies perfectly for that too.
20190820234322 7y ago
Just a heads-up: This person has posted at least 12 pro-China comments in the past year by my count. Extremely suspicious.
- adambyrtek 7y ago
  I strongly disagreed with them on this particular thread, but I don't get why having pro-China views should be automatically considered "extremely suspicious"?
  - 20190820234322 7y ago
    For the same reason pro-rape views should be automatically suspicous. An important difference between the moral and intellectual domains is that there's such a thing as an 'innocent intellectual mistake' but there's no such thing as an 'innocent moral mistake'
  - anovikov 7y ago
    Obviously i am not "pro-China" lol. And i don't advocate actually destroying market economy and (less confidently), democracy. All i am trying to show is that public transport in the U.S. is such failure only as an undesirable externality of strong market and democratic institutions. We should probably bear with it because trying to fix risks, or directly requires, breaking too many other, important things. I would much rather live in the U.S. than God forbid, China. I still prefer EU where i do live which seems to be good middle ground. And yeah, in my place (Cyprus), public transport sucks, and mainly because of democracy/good institutions (taxi drivers union won't let improve buses) and high living standards (low density - most can afford a detached house with a big plot - but it makes buses routes long and not dense, and their ridership low).
    - 20190820234322 7y ago
      Stop bullshitting. I've vetted your comment history extensively
      - dang 7y ago
        We've banned this account for trolling. Doing this will get your main account banned as well, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- briandear 7y ago
  Are you actually counting people’s posts?
  - 20190820234322 7y ago
    Is that supposed to be bad thing? The guys at Twitter who banned Chinese shills are also 'counting people's posts'
adambyrtek 7y ago
I'm not convinced that, as you say, decreasing cost of land is the main reason. A simple counterexample would be London which has great public transport and ridiculous prices of land. On the contrary, public transport projects like Crossrail actually increase prices of land and property in affected areas.
- anovikov 7y ago
  Now try to force Americans survive in the abysmal living conditions of the average Londoner. That city is absurdly overregulated, and expensive as hell.
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  - umeshunni 7y ago
    > Now try to force Americans survive in the abysmal living conditions of the average Londoner. That city is absurdly overregulated, and expensive as hell. I assume you don't live in San Francisco?
jimktrains2 7y ago
Public transportation has a complex relationship with land value, but saying it decreases it across the board is blatantly false. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2016/04/transit-station-property-value-study/479730/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2016/04/transit-stati...
pjc50 7y ago
Er, no. Public transport usually increases the price of land, and the rest of your post is just a bizarre totalitarian rant.
NTDF9 7y ago
> Want to fix this? Sure, easy, just scrap the democracy and just don't ask people, send those who object, to "re-education" camps. Or scrap market economy: if all land is government-owned, it won't be an issue at all. I'm just going to assume that you've never been to major Asian cities.

bamboozled 7y ago

“Want to fix this? Sure, easy, just scrap the democracy and just don't ask people, send those who object, to "re-education" camps. Or scrap market economy: if all land is government-owned, it won't be an issue at all.“ Ever been to Japan?

simion314 7y ago

Very interesting conclusion there, "all countries with good infrastructure are not democratic" , it also contradicts the fact that you have public roads, you logic applies perfectly for that too.

20190820234322 7y ago

Just a heads-up: This person has posted at least 12 pro-China comments in the past year by my count. Extremely suspicious.

adambyrtek 7y ago
I strongly disagreed with them on this particular thread, but I don't get why having pro-China views should be automatically considered "extremely suspicious"?
- 20190820234322 7y ago
  For the same reason pro-rape views should be automatically suspicous. An important difference between the moral and intellectual domains is that there's such a thing as an 'innocent intellectual mistake' but there's no such thing as an 'innocent moral mistake'
- anovikov 7y ago
  Obviously i am not "pro-China" lol. And i don't advocate actually destroying market economy and (less confidently), democracy. All i am trying to show is that public transport in the U.S. is such failure only as an undesirable externality of strong market and democratic institutions. We should probably bear with it because trying to fix risks, or directly requires, breaking too many other, important things. I would much rather live in the U.S. than God forbid, China. I still prefer EU where i do live which seems to be good middle ground. And yeah, in my place (Cyprus), public transport sucks, and mainly because of democracy/good institutions (taxi drivers union won't let improve buses) and high living standards (low density - most can afford a detached house with a big plot - but it makes buses routes long and not dense, and their ridership low).
  - 20190820234322 7y ago
    Stop bullshitting. I've vetted your comment history extensively
    - dang 7y ago
      We've banned this account for trolling. Doing this will get your main account banned as well, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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briandear 7y ago
Are you actually counting people’s posts?
- 20190820234322 7y ago
  Is that supposed to be bad thing? The guys at Twitter who banned Chinese shills are also 'counting people's posts'

adambyrtek 7y ago

I'm not convinced that, as you say, decreasing cost of land is the main reason. A simple counterexample would be London which has great public transport and ridiculous prices of land. On the contrary, public transport projects like Crossrail actually increase prices of land and property in affected areas.

anovikov 7y ago
Now try to force Americans survive in the abysmal living conditions of the average Londoner. That city is absurdly overregulated, and expensive as hell.
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- umeshunni 7y ago
  > Now try to force Americans survive in the abysmal living conditions of the average Londoner. That city is absurdly overregulated, and expensive as hell. I assume you don't live in San Francisco?

jimktrains2 7y ago

Public transportation has a complex relationship with land value, but saying it decreases it across the board is blatantly false. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2016/04/transit-station-property-value-study/479730/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2016/04/transit-stati...

pjc50 7y ago

Er, no. Public transport usually increases the price of land, and the rest of your post is just a bizarre totalitarian rant.

NTDF9 7y ago

> Want to fix this? Sure, easy, just scrap the democracy and just don't ask people, send those who object, to "re-education" camps. Or scrap market economy: if all land is government-owned, it won't be an issue at all. I'm just going to assume that you've never been to major Asian cities.