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Indeed no one is entitled to go to Harvard, but Harvard is also not entitled to federal research grants that are being funded by taxing Asian Americans under th

Indeed no one is entitled to go to Harvard, but Harvard is also not entitled to federal research grants that are being funded by taxing Asian Americans under the same laws as other Americans, so I guess we are at an impasse.

wendyshu 7y ago
I wonder how much public support there would be for ending the grants.
CobrastanJorji 7y ago
Harvard's endowment is around $40 billion. They're awarded about $600M in Federal grants per year. Though I'm sure they'd prefer to keep receiving them, they'd be just fine without them. It seems like turning down Federal grants and handling admissions as they like would satisfy everyone.
- tathougies 7y ago
  I mean that's fine. I'm not out to get Harvard. They have every right to their private wealth. Just don't expect governmental recognition and public praise.
- bluecalm 7y ago
  Would everyone be satisfied if a restaurant or a store discriminated based on race even if it doesn't take any federal funds? Racist policies are racist. Hopefully Supreme Court takes it and strikes it down.
- travisoneill1 7y ago
  The real money is paid directly to students through federal student loans and then to the university.
  - tathougies 7y ago
    In order to qualify for the scholarship, a student must be attending a university recognized by the federal government. You can't get a government loan or aide to attend tathougies's super cool pottery school -- for good reason. Some educational institutions are illegitimate. And that is just scholarships. Harvard is a graduate institution, which means the federal government also funds research projects at the graduate school level.
    - travisoneill1 7y ago
      And I would argue that Harvard is also illegitimate as it practices racial discrimination. Guess we'll see if the supreme court agrees.
hackinthebochs 7y ago
>but Harvard is also not entitled to federal research grants There is no entitlement. The government is purchasing research for the money. There is no obvious connection between Harvard's undergrad admissions practices and the money Harvard gets for research.
- barry-cotter 7y ago
  The obvious connection is who pays makes the rules. The US federal government uses access to Pell grants to motivate private educational institutions to do what they want, it can use access to any other funds to get Harvard to do what it wants, if it wants to. Obviously it won’t, because if banning ROTC from your university doesn’t get your access to federal funds cut off affirmative action certainly won’t but they could.

wendyshu 7y ago

I wonder how much public support there would be for ending the grants.

CobrastanJorji 7y ago

Harvard's endowment is around $40 billion. They're awarded about $600M in Federal grants per year. Though I'm sure they'd prefer to keep receiving them, they'd be just fine without them. It seems like turning down Federal grants and handling admissions as they like would satisfy everyone.

tathougies 7y ago
I mean that's fine. I'm not out to get Harvard. They have every right to their private wealth. Just don't expect governmental recognition and public praise.
bluecalm 7y ago
Would everyone be satisfied if a restaurant or a store discriminated based on race even if it doesn't take any federal funds? Racist policies are racist. Hopefully Supreme Court takes it and strikes it down.
travisoneill1 7y ago
The real money is paid directly to students through federal student loans and then to the university.
- tathougies 7y ago
  In order to qualify for the scholarship, a student must be attending a university recognized by the federal government. You can't get a government loan or aide to attend tathougies's super cool pottery school -- for good reason. Some educational institutions are illegitimate. And that is just scholarships. Harvard is a graduate institution, which means the federal government also funds research projects at the graduate school level.
  - travisoneill1 7y ago
    And I would argue that Harvard is also illegitimate as it practices racial discrimination. Guess we'll see if the supreme court agrees.

hackinthebochs 7y ago

>but Harvard is also not entitled to federal research grants There is no entitlement. The government is purchasing research for the money. There is no obvious connection between Harvard's undergrad admissions practices and the money Harvard gets for research.

barry-cotter 7y ago
The obvious connection is who pays makes the rules. The US federal government uses access to Pell grants to motivate private educational institutions to do what they want, it can use access to any other funds to get Harvard to do what it wants, if it wants to. Obviously it won’t, because if banning ROTC from your university doesn’t get your access to federal funds cut off affirmative action certainly won’t but they could.