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For a start just leaving a paper trail of formal complaints at MIT would help ascertain this has been happenning for a long time. I just find it shocking that t

For a start just leaving a paper trail of formal complaints at MIT would help ascertain this has been happenning for a long time. I just find it shocking that there is no formal complaint. Instead, what we have is just random people claiming that other people got harassed. None of this is verifiable and honestly if internet has thought us anything it is that everybody lies in social media just to get a few likes.

fzeroracer 7y ago
You realize that that very well could be the case and reason why Stallman stepped down, correct? MIT could likely get into deep trouble if they chose to publish all of the formal complaints against Stallman for obvious privacy reasons and this incident could've just been the proverbial final straw. And regardless: Apply Occam's Razor here. What is more likely: A group of random people consisting of professors and students bringing grievances against Stallman, or some sort of conspiracy where all of those people are lying, embellishing etc for some form of revenge? If multiple disconnected people are calling someone an asshole, maybe there's an issue here. It's amazing to what lengths people will attempt to create a narrative defending RMS.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  Seriously, for a public figure you accept evidence this weak? No, Occam's Razor wouldn't let you make this conclusion at all.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > A group of random people consisting of professors and students A group of random people with a certain radical ideology, most of which work at google[0][1][2], the military[3], or have personal issues with him due to their history[4][5], etc. I certainly do not believe that it is a conspiracy - ie they are being honest on the fact that they do not like him (not necessarily on why they do not like him though) and that they are not being paid by someone to do it, but they are far from random people. Also, I personally saw no professors being involved, although I might be mistaken. [0] https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-departure-of-rms-18e6a835fd84 https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-depa... [1] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1172422966904160257 https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1172422966904160257 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20995556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20995556 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090851 [4] see 0 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bushnell#GNU_Hurd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bushnell#GNU_Hurd [5] https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Advocacy_of_Microsoft_open_technologies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Advocacy_of_Mi...

fzeroracer 7y ago

You realize that that very well could be the case and reason why Stallman stepped down, correct? MIT could likely get into deep trouble if they chose to publish all of the formal complaints against Stallman for obvious privacy reasons and this incident could've just been the proverbial final straw. And regardless: Apply Occam's Razor here. What is more likely: A group of random people consisting of professors and students bringing grievances against Stallman, or some sort of conspiracy where all of those people are lying, embellishing etc for some form of revenge? If multiple disconnected people are calling someone an asshole, maybe there's an issue here. It's amazing to what lengths people will attempt to create a narrative defending RMS.

raxxorrax 7y ago
Seriously, for a public figure you accept evidence this weak? No, Occam's Razor wouldn't let you make this conclusion at all.
dependenttypes 7y ago
> A group of random people consisting of professors and students A group of random people with a certain radical ideology, most of which work at google[0][1][2], the military[3], or have personal issues with him due to their history[4][5], etc. I certainly do not believe that it is a conspiracy - ie they are being honest on the fact that they do not like him (not necessarily on why they do not like him though) and that they are not being paid by someone to do it, but they are far from random people. Also, I personally saw no professors being involved, although I might be mistaken. [0] https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-departure-of-rms-18e6a835fd84 https://medium.com/@thomas.bushnell/a-reflection-on-the-depa... [1] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1172422966904160257 https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1172422966904160257 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20995556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20995556 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090851 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090851 [4] see 0 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bushnell#GNU_Hurd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bushnell#GNU_Hurd [5] https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1173981287037751297 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Advocacy_of_Microsoft_open_technologies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza#Advocacy_of_Mi...