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Eight Tons of Punk
- rr-geil-j 7y agoI just can't articulate it yet but saving this archive feels anti-punk...
- jacobush 7y agoThey'll collect it all then burn it in a huge dumpster fire!
- mieseratte 7y agoNah, gotta burn it on a barge[0] [0] - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38120496 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38120496
- sverige 7y agoWhen you figure out how to articulate it, you'll have the perfect description for what it feels like to watch a Henry Rollins comedy set on YouTube.
- kjs3 7y agoI can't say for certain, it's early, but I'm pretty sure this is going to be the single most insightful comment I will read this month.
- lubujackson 7y agoI feel like there should be a slo-mo gif of Henry Rollins putting on his reading glasses to instantly and dramatically turn from punk legend to Volvo driver.
- benj111 7y agoIts the nature of these things, that the original ethos gets lost, for example, Green Day is classed as a punk band.
- Lio 7y agoThere's something very punk about innocently asking "oh you're a punk fan? Do you enjoy the 'The Greendays'?" and then stand back as they either ooze contempt or explode... :P You can throw Avril Lavigne in there are a curveball but they'll probably know you're taking the piss if you do.
- Lio 7y agoThis shouldn't be seen as an attack on punks ...it's more like a Minor Threat. (Damn it, I've become my father.)
- igetspam 7y agoNah_ dude. You're dad didn't listen to Minor Threat. You're still cool. (If you're not, then I'm not and I refuse to accept that and I have the bad tattoos to back me up.)
- weare138 7y agoJust because some people say that doesn't make it true. Green Day fans are like the flat Earthers of punk.
- benj111 7y agoWhat else have we got other than some people saying it? Some people say the Sex Pistols are punk, there isn't really an objective measure we can measure this against.
- rr-geil-j 7y agoI think it's a problem of specificity. Green Day's music do or did sound like punk, but do they (still) live the punk lifestyle/ideology? Did they ever?
- weare138 7y agoWhy? I think many people have somewhat misguided notions about the punk scene.
- rr-geil-j 7y agoI did a quick search and it seems there are multiple branches of punk ideologies. I was never in the punk scene but I had friends who did (some are probably still are). I just remember them mostly focusing on the current and do not care much for posterity.
- simonh 7y agoWho gives a crap what they think?
- vibrio 7y agoI found the punk rocker.
- SwellJoe 7y agoThat's not my experience (I've loved punk for decades, have played in punk bands, etc.). There is a pretty strong reverence for the roots and evolution of punk among, at least, the musicians who make the music. I recommend reading Our Band Could Be Your Life for a really wonderful biographical snapshot of some of America's most important punk bands (it spans late 70s to early 90s, through the stories of a handful of the most influential/interesting bands), and the ties that bind them to earlier and later punks. There may be a subset of fans that don't care about the historical context, but it's not what defines "punk". Collecting (45s, stickers, patches, zines, posters, etc.) has always a big part of punk culture. And, the fact that punk bands can reform after a couple of decades and tour and even make new records and have some success even among younger audiences seems to indicate there's people valuing that history. e.g. The Pixies, Mission of Burma, Black Flag, The Stooges, have all had success in recent years, after being dormant for decades. Of the shows I've seen in this category, there's always a pretty good mix of old-timers like me, who are there partly out of nostalgia, and younger folks who weren't even alive when those bands were first doing their thing.
- bane 7y agoAnybody interested in the zone https://archive.org/details/maximumrnr https://archive.org/details/maximumrnr
- richardhod 7y agoSomebody here has enough money to help this out and contribute back to SF + culture!
- vibrio 7y agoI hope it is preserved. MRR was key to DIY music scenes across the US and other countries. The internet dispatched the need for it. At the time (I'm referencing the mid-late 80's), the crappy newsprint that came off on my fingers was the only way to find out what bands or cities were doing in really independent music. It's pretty difficult to put it in context in a world post-blogs, twitter, and bandcamp etc.
- mxuribe 7y agoSorry to loop in software/tech...but... I remember once years ago explaining to a co-worker about how i felt that free and open source software (FOSS) in general - but linux (oh sorry, gnu linux) as a specific example - as being the punk equivalent but in tech. The person i explained it to was a techy at a large enterprise, and really understood it once i explained in those terms. My co-worker was your typical buttoned-up very nice guy, he had only been exposed to the conventional corporate ms windows platforms, etc...So, while he likely wouldn't go out and listen to punk nor go play with installing slackware or debian, etc...he really respected linux (and the rest of FOSS) BECAUSE of the context that i put them in as a comparison to punk. I haven't worked with him for years now...i wonder what he thinks now that linux and FOSS are everywhere - well everywhere but under blankets of corporations like google (android), and others, etc.? I wonder if he still thinks of linux as punk - as i had described to him long ago?
- 0x445442 7y agoHe probably still thinks of linux as punk as he happily spends his days configuring Sales Force.
- cabernal 7y agoWhen I think of punks of the tech industry I think of the Homebrew Computer Club. I've tried looking for a similar community but these seem to be few and far between. I lot of the tech communities around where I live seem to only be interested in "startupping", seed funding and networking rather than experimenting and pushing tech itself. Hackathons, where I used to find a few punks years ago, are now filled with people mildly interested in tech and big corporate sponsors. Maybe it's the fact that technology keeps getting more complex and thus a few punk hackers are not enough to really disrupt it.
- dfxm12 7y ago“We don’t want to move [the record archive] to some museum, we want it to be accessible,” Curran told me. If not in a museum, what does it mean for records to be accessible? If you keep it physical, only a select relative few will ever access it. Start digitizing it, then, if needed, auction off the interesting records to fund the rest of the effort.
- 0x445442 7y agoYep, reach out to this guy... jason@textfiles.com.
- mtnGoat 7y agowho is this guy?
- lubujackson 7y agoJason Scott, he works for Internet Archive now but previously did (and still does) a ton of work preserving old tech garbage, from weird-format disks, shareware CDs, manuals, old magazines, flyers, ads and everything else.
- bmj 7y agoYou are assuming that the music is the most important thing. It very well may be, but part of the culture around vinyl is, I think, the actual physical product, particularly the art that accompanies the vinyl. Add to that the DIY ethos that drives the punk scene, and those physical artifacts become even more important.
- dfxm12 7y agoYou are assuming that the music is the most important thing. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. ...obviously, you can digitize album covers and liner notes. I thought that was clear. You're right, there's culture around that, but it's not important to physically touch it to experience it. Saying "you just had to be there", "you have to listen to this pressing of the record", "you must hold this in your hand", etc. is playing gatekeeper, which is antithetical to punk and DIY.
- droobles 7y agoSlightly off topic: Going to take a moment to shoutout Sunny Singh and his hate5six project, archiving punk live performances! Awesome project. You can be a techie and still be punk!