35 ms·

If you read the article she notes that the infamous "hot ladies" photo was the result of someone else writing and then snapping that shot of his office door. P

If you read the article she notes that the infamous "hot ladies" photo was the result of someone else writing and then snapping that shot of his office door. People only see what they want to see. I see a bunch of people beating up on and attacking an awkward "nerd". It reminds me of high school.

zaroth 7y ago
But on Twitter all you see is this; https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1172283772428906496?s=21 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1172283772428906496?s=21
- markdown 7y ago
  https://i.postimg.cc/HW8q1j1s/Screenshot-2019-10-01-at-3-00-23-PM.png https://i.postimg.cc/HW8q1j1s/Screenshot-2019-10-01-at-3-00-...
- tudelo 7y ago
  That thread definitely has a lot of interesting information. Some things seem kind of off though... but in general it seems mostly fair.
  - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
    There is nothing fair about it.
    - parasubvert 7y ago
      On the contrary. She's being quite fair.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        Keep in mind that the premise of the thread (the picture of the name tag on the door) is actually a setup. Someone graffitis on Stallman’s door, and that mob justice character assassination spews forth from it.
        parasubvert 7y ago
        If you think that this situation has much to do with that door tag, you really are reaching.
      - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
        Not in the least.
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  Yikes, what an awful group of self-righteous people. Bullying and slander is perfectly fine when the virtuous do it I see.
  - kabacha 7y ago
    Funny how much you can tell about these people from their twitter profile. These people are so privilidged that they have so much time to spend on the most trivial of subjects.
- throwawayc7a92a 7y ago
  I see trans people engage in the kinds of behavior described in this thread all the time. Trans women engineers with good paying jobs at companies like Google, Twitter, GitHub, Hashicorp, etc. who post a lot more creepy sexual stuff publicly and nobody bats an eye. Why is that?
- likeclockwork 7y ago
  Previously from Sarah Mei: https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073234104311734273 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073234104311734273
- _pgmf 7y ago
  Sarah Mei alternates between aggressive, mocking, and combative. She has no sense of humor. Her worldview is unbelievably bleak and threatening. And she views herself as special -- someone "woke". It's terrible to behold. The truth is that people make mistakes. People are entitled to their own opinions, however much you may disagree with them. The world exists outside one's self, and any one person just a small, small part of it. The world is not to blame if I feel hurt or threatened, and life is not fair. But within this world we have complete freedom. Do not try to take that away.
  - parasubvert 7y ago
    Sarah Mei is just defending her own freedom to want to exist in a professional capacity without harrassment. Who's taking freedom away? RMS is still a free man. He's just lost his privileged positions.
kelnos 7y ago
Assuming that's correct, and that the "hot ladies" thing happened as she describes, how do you excuse away all the other inappropriate and harassing behavior he's displayed over the years?
- ringshall 7y ago
  "inappropriate and harassing behavior" What exactly are you claiming he did to harass people? What exactly did he do that was inappropriate?
  - goo432124 7y ago
    Stallman did nothing to harass people. It's all hearsay. Some of the supposed harassment stories contain verifiably false details, for example, that Stallman was in an open marriage. Stallman was in fact never married. There is a very good reason that we do not admit this level of evidence in courts of law. You know all the people on Twitter claiming that "numerous" women have confided in them that Stallman kept them out of tech? It's all fake. These claims are identical in structure and purpose to Joseph McCarthy's famous "I have here in my hand a list" line. What the mob is doing now to Stallman is exactly the same thing that the mob did to everyone suspected of communism in the 1950s.
- simplehuman 7y ago
  Why isn't the harassing behavior being brought up through the right channels? Is internet rage the right way to do this?
  - fzeroracer 7y ago
    Exactly what channels? The police? A lot of what RMS has done isn't illegal and generally there's a very high legal bar for harassment. So people eventually share their stories through social media and even that doesn't work sometimes (see: Riot). His behavior doesn't have to cross into illegality to be reprehensible.
    - 7y ago
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
throwaway877cf9 7y ago
If he was a trans woman it would be fine. Trans women engineers at the biggest tech companies post nudes and tweets about "girl dick" all day, and generally act like disgusting oversexualized perverts but THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR JOBS. WHY IS THERE THIS DOUBLE STANDARD? WHY DO TRANS "WOMEN" GET TO ACT LIKE FUCKING FREAKS PUBLICLY AND DON'T GET FUCKING CALLED OUT?!
atq2119 7y ago
> I see a bunch of people beating up on and attacking an awkward "nerd". It reminds me of high school. That perfectly captures my own impression of this whole debacle. People keep piling on RMS because he's "weird" rather than anything objectively bad that he's done - notice how often his travel binder is being raised even though it's really completely harmless. That's literally witch-hunt behaviour: persecuting somebody because he's different. And of the things he was attacked for that would be objectively bad, so much of it turns out to be either a misunderstanding, misinterpretation, or outright fabrication (like apparently the "hot ladies" sign). I can believe that there is a true kernel of bad behaviour from RMS, but it's blown way out of proportion by all the other stuff around it, and that gives this whole affair the stench of persecuting somebody merely for being different. It's very frustrating.
- ktm5j 7y ago
  Hey now, I was the proverbial awkward nerd in highschool, but you know what I've never done? I've never implied that child pornography is okay.. or bestiality.. so I see this differently. I've heard nasty things come out of that man and I have no interest in listening to him.
  - oska 7y ago
    This comment also reminded me of highschool - "Yeah, I'm a nerd who gets bullied but hey, at least I'm not like this other nerd who gets bullied. Actually, I agree with the people who bully him that at least he deserves it."
    - ktm5j 7y ago
      You're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
trianglem 7y ago
I'm not even sure I have a problem with the hot ladies comment irregardless of whether he wrote it or not.
- meruru 7y ago
  You shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with it. Having an interest in the opposite sex is the most normal thing in the world and there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to state it.
- flippinburgers 7y ago
  I agree with you, but it is being used as one strike against him. Given that there is evidence that he didn't even do it himself, it further proves how desperate the people who dislike him are to drag him through the mud.

zaroth 7y ago

But on Twitter all you see is this; https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1172283772428906496?s=21 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1172283772428906496?s=21

markdown 7y ago
https://i.postimg.cc/HW8q1j1s/Screenshot-2019-10-01-at-3-00-23-PM.png https://i.postimg.cc/HW8q1j1s/Screenshot-2019-10-01-at-3-00-...
tudelo 7y ago
That thread definitely has a lot of interesting information. Some things seem kind of off though... but in general it seems mostly fair.
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  There is nothing fair about it.
  - parasubvert 7y ago
    On the contrary. She's being quite fair.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Keep in mind that the premise of the thread (the picture of the name tag on the door) is actually a setup. Someone graffitis on Stallman’s door, and that mob justice character assassination spews forth from it.
      - parasubvert 7y ago
        If you think that this situation has much to do with that door tag, you really are reaching.
    - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
      Not in the least.
lawnchair_larry 7y ago
Yikes, what an awful group of self-righteous people. Bullying and slander is perfectly fine when the virtuous do it I see.
- kabacha 7y ago
  Funny how much you can tell about these people from their twitter profile. These people are so privilidged that they have so much time to spend on the most trivial of subjects.
throwawayc7a92a 7y ago
I see trans people engage in the kinds of behavior described in this thread all the time. Trans women engineers with good paying jobs at companies like Google, Twitter, GitHub, Hashicorp, etc. who post a lot more creepy sexual stuff publicly and nobody bats an eye. Why is that?
likeclockwork 7y ago
Previously from Sarah Mei: https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073234104311734273 https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/1073234104311734273
_pgmf 7y ago
Sarah Mei alternates between aggressive, mocking, and combative. She has no sense of humor. Her worldview is unbelievably bleak and threatening. And she views herself as special -- someone "woke". It's terrible to behold. The truth is that people make mistakes. People are entitled to their own opinions, however much you may disagree with them. The world exists outside one's self, and any one person just a small, small part of it. The world is not to blame if I feel hurt or threatened, and life is not fair. But within this world we have complete freedom. Do not try to take that away.
- parasubvert 7y ago
  Sarah Mei is just defending her own freedom to want to exist in a professional capacity without harrassment. Who's taking freedom away? RMS is still a free man. He's just lost his privileged positions.

kelnos 7y ago

Assuming that's correct, and that the "hot ladies" thing happened as she describes, how do you excuse away all the other inappropriate and harassing behavior he's displayed over the years?

ringshall 7y ago
"inappropriate and harassing behavior" What exactly are you claiming he did to harass people? What exactly did he do that was inappropriate?
- goo432124 7y ago
  Stallman did nothing to harass people. It's all hearsay. Some of the supposed harassment stories contain verifiably false details, for example, that Stallman was in an open marriage. Stallman was in fact never married. There is a very good reason that we do not admit this level of evidence in courts of law. You know all the people on Twitter claiming that "numerous" women have confided in them that Stallman kept them out of tech? It's all fake. These claims are identical in structure and purpose to Joseph McCarthy's famous "I have here in my hand a list" line. What the mob is doing now to Stallman is exactly the same thing that the mob did to everyone suspected of communism in the 1950s.
simplehuman 7y ago
Why isn't the harassing behavior being brought up through the right channels? Is internet rage the right way to do this?
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  Exactly what channels? The police? A lot of what RMS has done isn't illegal and generally there's a very high legal bar for harassment. So people eventually share their stories through social media and even that doesn't work sometimes (see: Riot). His behavior doesn't have to cross into illegality to be reprehensible.
  - 7y ago

deleted 7y ago

[deleted]

throwaway877cf9 7y ago

If he was a trans woman it would be fine. Trans women engineers at the biggest tech companies post nudes and tweets about "girl dick" all day, and generally act like disgusting oversexualized perverts but THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR JOBS. WHY IS THERE THIS DOUBLE STANDARD? WHY DO TRANS "WOMEN" GET TO ACT LIKE FUCKING FREAKS PUBLICLY AND DON'T GET FUCKING CALLED OUT?!

atq2119 7y ago

> I see a bunch of people beating up on and attacking an awkward "nerd". It reminds me of high school. That perfectly captures my own impression of this whole debacle. People keep piling on RMS because he's "weird" rather than anything objectively bad that he's done - notice how often his travel binder is being raised even though it's really completely harmless. That's literally witch-hunt behaviour: persecuting somebody because he's different. And of the things he was attacked for that would be objectively bad, so much of it turns out to be either a misunderstanding, misinterpretation, or outright fabrication (like apparently the "hot ladies" sign). I can believe that there is a true kernel of bad behaviour from RMS, but it's blown way out of proportion by all the other stuff around it, and that gives this whole affair the stench of persecuting somebody merely for being different. It's very frustrating.

ktm5j 7y ago
Hey now, I was the proverbial awkward nerd in highschool, but you know what I've never done? I've never implied that child pornography is okay.. or bestiality.. so I see this differently. I've heard nasty things come out of that man and I have no interest in listening to him.
- oska 7y ago
  This comment also reminded me of highschool - "Yeah, I'm a nerd who gets bullied but hey, at least I'm not like this other nerd who gets bullied. Actually, I agree with the people who bully him that at least he deserves it."
  - ktm5j 7y ago
    You're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

trianglem 7y ago

I'm not even sure I have a problem with the hot ladies comment irregardless of whether he wrote it or not.

meruru 7y ago
You shouldn't. There's nothing wrong with it. Having an interest in the opposite sex is the most normal thing in the world and there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to state it.
flippinburgers 7y ago
I agree with you, but it is being used as one strike against him. Given that there is evidence that he didn't even do it himself, it further proves how desperate the people who dislike him are to drag him through the mud.