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Agreed. If Stallman was a charming, charismatic, handsome guy with a square jaw and good hair the whole conversation would probably have a different lens placed

Agreed. If Stallman was a charming, charismatic, handsome guy with a square jaw and good hair the whole conversation would probably have a different lens placed on it.

t0astbread 7y ago
Then he wouldn't be seen as an awkward guy who doesn't know any better but instead as an arrogant dick.
- blowski 7y ago
  Exactly. The conversation should be framed around what he did (or didn't) do, rather than how others felt around him.
  - t0astbread 7y ago
    Yesn't IMO. When discussing RMS as a person I agree but in the context of the presidency of the FSF (which is more or less the "face of free software") we should certainly take into account what kind of energy he radiates.
foldr 7y ago
Hot, charming people get away with things that ugly awkward people don't. However, the lesson to be drawn from this isn't that it's ok to do those things. Rather, it's that life is unfair.
- rusk 7y ago
  except that Stallman was let off for years ... I think people often just let him off because he wasn't "Hot, charming" and they maybe felt a certain amount of pity for him ...
- chii 7y ago
  > the lesson to be drawn from this isn't that it's ok to do those things if it's OK for the charming, suave guy to do it, then the issue exists at the "victim", not the "perpetrator". Rule of law is meant to make life more fair, and this isn't a lesson, but it is something for society to improve on.
  - foldr 7y ago
    >if it's OK for the charming, suave guy to do it, I was saying that it isn't ok for the charming, suave guy to do it either.
shademaan 7y ago
Is this a joke? This is disgusting.
lexs 7y ago
Are you applying the incel meme of the chad and virgin here? Quite disgusting honestly...
- rndgermandude 7y ago
  There is study after study after study concluding that pretty people on average have it easier in life, are treated better, have it easier to achieve successful careers, have it easier to find sexual partners, get away with more things, etc...
- faissaloo 7y ago
  Have you never heard of the 'halo effect'? I find it really sad and closes minded that you would call something 'incel' simply because you're incapable of fathoming the idea that things are actually harder for some people.

Agreed. If Stallman was a charming, charismatic, handsome guy with a square jaw and good hair the whole conversation would probably have a different lens placed on it.

t0astbread 7y ago

Then he wouldn't be seen as an awkward guy who doesn't know any better but instead as an arrogant dick.

blowski 7y ago
Exactly. The conversation should be framed around what he did (or didn't) do, rather than how others felt around him.
- t0astbread 7y ago
  Yesn't IMO. When discussing RMS as a person I agree but in the context of the presidency of the FSF (which is more or less the "face of free software") we should certainly take into account what kind of energy he radiates.

foldr 7y ago

Hot, charming people get away with things that ugly awkward people don't. However, the lesson to be drawn from this isn't that it's ok to do those things. Rather, it's that life is unfair.

rusk 7y ago
except that Stallman was let off for years ... I think people often just let him off because he wasn't "Hot, charming" and they maybe felt a certain amount of pity for him ...
chii 7y ago
> the lesson to be drawn from this isn't that it's ok to do those things if it's OK for the charming, suave guy to do it, then the issue exists at the "victim", not the "perpetrator". Rule of law is meant to make life more fair, and this isn't a lesson, but it is something for society to improve on.
- foldr 7y ago
  >if it's OK for the charming, suave guy to do it, I was saying that it isn't ok for the charming, suave guy to do it either.

shademaan 7y ago

Is this a joke? This is disgusting.

lexs 7y ago

Are you applying the incel meme of the chad and virgin here? Quite disgusting honestly...

rndgermandude 7y ago
There is study after study after study concluding that pretty people on average have it easier in life, are treated better, have it easier to achieve successful careers, have it easier to find sexual partners, get away with more things, etc...
faissaloo 7y ago
Have you never heard of the 'halo effect'? I find it really sad and closes minded that you would call something 'incel' simply because you're incapable of fathoming the idea that things are actually harder for some people.