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Yes. That's like asking if shitty burgers really "justify mcdonalds valuation". Maybe you are not impressed with the product, but millions of people are inter

Yes. That's like asking if shitty burgers really "justify mcdonalds valuation". Maybe you are not impressed with the product, but millions of people are interested in buying it.

amelius 7y ago
The difference is that with a little help (e.g. 10M) I can start a (serious) gitlab competitor tomorrow. Not so with the hamburger chain.
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- pushpop 7y ago
  Building a product is the easy part. Building the user base is what makes an evaluation. Just the same as anyone can start a fast food chain but if no buys any food in there the chain isn’t worth squat.
- alnorth 7y ago
  Go ahead then.
- pnako 7y ago
  Gitea is already a decent competitor, valued at $0. What gives a company like this value are the contracts and the technical lock-ins making sure you can milk a relatively small group of captive, high-value users for many years. There are many companies using Gitlab.
- UserIsUnused 7y ago
  Gitlab is not just git hosting, they want to own the full developing cycle. they already got ci pipelines, easy ways to deploy on kubernates, and much more and its feature are growing at a fast. You cannnot replicate every gitlab feature with 10M, and you still have to fight the network effect. For years Gitlab had a better offer then Github, and yet github was always more popular due to the network effect.
  - irq11 7y ago
    Maybe you haven’t noticed this, but Gitlab is an open-source project. It’s pretty hard to claim a technical moat when most of what you sell can be replicated with a repo fork.
    - pnako 7y ago
      That's not how it works. Open source makes it trivial for the nerds inside a company to deploy. Soon, they start taking advantage of various APIs and integrations. They'll have scripts written in Bash, Perl, Python, Ruby and what not talking to various API endpoints, communicating with other systems using JSON, XML, etc. Every single bot or integration like that is one more "tentacle". Without signing a contract or even having the board or upper management discuss it, the organization is now entrenched with this piece of software. Comes along a new regulation for your industry; GPDR, SOX, HIPAA, etc. It doesn't matter. What do you do? Fortunately, the provider of your "open source" (or rather: open core) solution offers features supporting your use case. You just have to upgrade from the MIT-licensed core, community edition to the enterprise edition, for $xx,xxx per year.
    - tapoxi 7y ago
      GitLab is an open-core project, people pay for additional features in the (proprietary) Enterprise Edition.
      - irq11 7y ago
        I love how the gitlab fanboys try to have it both ways. When arguing why it’s better than alternatives, the talking point is that “it’s open-source!” But when it’s (rightfully) pointed out that this doesn’t leave much of a defensive moat, the open-source philosophy gets thrown under the bus. Yes, yes...it’s “open core”. That just means that it’s 10% more difficult to clone and replicate the business. Mark my words: someday, Gitlab will do something to piss off the “community”, and this will quickly happen.
    - manigandham 7y ago
      Nobody cares about that. Sales and value is what matters in the real-world. Gitlab has sales from customers who have proven they value the product. That's where the valuation comes from. It doesn't matter if you can clone it exactly tomorrow. Go ahead and do so. It won't give you the same valuation and it won't hurt theirs because that's not how it works.
- wastedhours 7y ago
  > The difference is that with a little help (e.g. 10M) I can start a gitlab competitor tomorrow. Not so with the hamburger chain. True, you could start a burger chain for a lot less than $10m...
- orf 7y ago
  For 10M you can definitely start a hamburger chain that competes locally with McDonalds.
- rusticpenn 7y ago
  When our firm moved to git, Github and Gitlab were chosen as options and since gitlab gave us a better offer, we took it. However, the firm also uses Jira and now we are getting a better offer with Jira, Confluence and bitbucket. Eventhough Gitlab is loved by our team, It looks like Bitbucket will be the future for us. So you should not underestimate the market presence of a company.
  - mch82 7y ago
    It is a mistake to let the issue tracker (Jira) drive tool selection instead of the developer tools (configuration management, continuous integration). Be cautious of the switch if your company is switching for that reason.
    - rusticpenn 7y ago
      The problem is that we are a team of 12 use the versioning, while more than 500 people of various teams use Jira and Atlassian toolset ( Whose jobs dont require versioning, as we create tools that hide/simplify the process for them).
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- juped 7y ago
  This is just your greed for $10m speaking. The cost is vastly, vastly less than that. source: https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/<BVRVZEWYB30Q.3HGIC803LDBH7@homura> https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/<BVRVZEWYB30Q.3H...
- orthecreedence 7y ago
  > The difference is that with a little help (e.g. 10M) I can start a (serious) gitlab competitor tomorrow. You are greatly overestimating your abilities.

Yes. That's like asking if shitty burgers really "justify mcdonalds valuation". Maybe you are not impressed with the product, but millions of people are interested in buying it.

amelius 7y ago

The difference is that with a little help (e.g. 10M) I can start a (serious) gitlab competitor tomorrow. Not so with the hamburger chain.

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pushpop 7y ago
Building a product is the easy part. Building the user base is what makes an evaluation. Just the same as anyone can start a fast food chain but if no buys any food in there the chain isn’t worth squat.
alnorth 7y ago
Go ahead then.
pnako 7y ago
Gitea is already a decent competitor, valued at $0. What gives a company like this value are the contracts and the technical lock-ins making sure you can milk a relatively small group of captive, high-value users for many years. There are many companies using Gitlab.
UserIsUnused 7y ago
Gitlab is not just git hosting, they want to own the full developing cycle. they already got ci pipelines, easy ways to deploy on kubernates, and much more and its feature are growing at a fast. You cannnot replicate every gitlab feature with 10M, and you still have to fight the network effect. For years Gitlab had a better offer then Github, and yet github was always more popular due to the network effect.
- irq11 7y ago
  Maybe you haven’t noticed this, but Gitlab is an open-source project. It’s pretty hard to claim a technical moat when most of what you sell can be replicated with a repo fork.
  - pnako 7y ago
    That's not how it works. Open source makes it trivial for the nerds inside a company to deploy. Soon, they start taking advantage of various APIs and integrations. They'll have scripts written in Bash, Perl, Python, Ruby and what not talking to various API endpoints, communicating with other systems using JSON, XML, etc. Every single bot or integration like that is one more "tentacle". Without signing a contract or even having the board or upper management discuss it, the organization is now entrenched with this piece of software. Comes along a new regulation for your industry; GPDR, SOX, HIPAA, etc. It doesn't matter. What do you do? Fortunately, the provider of your "open source" (or rather: open core) solution offers features supporting your use case. You just have to upgrade from the MIT-licensed core, community edition to the enterprise edition, for $xx,xxx per year.
  - tapoxi 7y ago
    GitLab is an open-core project, people pay for additional features in the (proprietary) Enterprise Edition.
    - irq11 7y ago
      I love how the gitlab fanboys try to have it both ways. When arguing why it’s better than alternatives, the talking point is that “it’s open-source!” But when it’s (rightfully) pointed out that this doesn’t leave much of a defensive moat, the open-source philosophy gets thrown under the bus. Yes, yes...it’s “open core”. That just means that it’s 10% more difficult to clone and replicate the business. Mark my words: someday, Gitlab will do something to piss off the “community”, and this will quickly happen.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    Nobody cares about that. Sales and value is what matters in the real-world. Gitlab has sales from customers who have proven they value the product. That's where the valuation comes from. It doesn't matter if you can clone it exactly tomorrow. Go ahead and do so. It won't give you the same valuation and it won't hurt theirs because that's not how it works.
wastedhours 7y ago
> The difference is that with a little help (e.g. 10M) I can start a gitlab competitor tomorrow. Not so with the hamburger chain. True, you could start a burger chain for a lot less than $10m...
orf 7y ago
For 10M you can definitely start a hamburger chain that competes locally with McDonalds.
rusticpenn 7y ago
When our firm moved to git, Github and Gitlab were chosen as options and since gitlab gave us a better offer, we took it. However, the firm also uses Jira and now we are getting a better offer with Jira, Confluence and bitbucket. Eventhough Gitlab is loved by our team, It looks like Bitbucket will be the future for us. So you should not underestimate the market presence of a company.
- mch82 7y ago
  It is a mistake to let the issue tracker (Jira) drive tool selection instead of the developer tools (configuration management, continuous integration). Be cautious of the switch if your company is switching for that reason.
  - rusticpenn 7y ago
    The problem is that we are a team of 12 use the versioning, while more than 500 people of various teams use Jira and Atlassian toolset ( Whose jobs dont require versioning, as we create tools that hide/simplify the process for them).
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juped 7y ago
This is just your greed for $10m speaking. The cost is vastly, vastly less than that. source: https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/<BVRVZEWYB30Q.3HGIC803LDBH7@homura> https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/<BVRVZEWYB30Q.3H...
orthecreedence 7y ago
> The difference is that with a little help (e.g. 10M) I can start a (serious) gitlab competitor tomorrow. You are greatly overestimating your abilities.