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I have trouble to understand your message behind your analogy... From what I get is that you are referring to woman as the poor, and man as the rich. Just bec

by zahrc 7y ago

I have trouble to understand your message behind your analogy... From what I get is that you are referring to woman as the poor, and man as the rich. Just because it's a man dominated field, does it mean the others remaining have no chance to get anything in that field? If so, do you suggest that one half of the world is not allowed to have these jobs at the same condition because some people already do, just because they have a male reproductive system? --- Meaning that all men are representative for all men, the same for women? This is not equality.

stakhanov 7y ago
I object to the use of "dominated". In a herd, a "dominant" animal will actively work to keep others away from food sources and mating opportunities when those are scarce. This is not what this is. Strictly my opinion: There are few women in software engineering because few women WANT to be in software engineering, period. ...and it's not a given that this is by definition a bad thing for them either.
- stakhanov 7y ago
  ...actually, it occurs to me that the animal kingdom comparison is kind of funny, because it shows the absurdity of the claim that an entire gender of a species dominates another. If, in some herd, all animals of a given gender were actually kept away from food sources and/or mating opportunities, that herd would die out.
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  Maybe one of the reasons women do not want to work in IT is, that the atmosphere is still sometimes sexist? Or at least arkward. When I started to study IT, I was surprised to see, that the stereotypes were the majority. Meaning, long, oily hair, etc. So I guess that is still changing, and I really do not believe 50% women should be the goal, but maybe the IT world still needs reflection sometimes, why so little women want to get into it.
  - merb 7y ago
    Welk i think not all women Want a job in it. propably because when they were Kids they were stereotyped. A lot of them thus didn‘t liked math.
    - trickstra 7y ago
      IT is not about math
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        To be fair, IT was (and I'm guessing still is) perceived as something associated strongly with maths, even though actual jobs are year by year becoming increasingly less so.
      - llampx 7y ago
        Programming is pretty strongly about math, especially in university when you learn the theory and not just how to link an API to a database. In order to study CS at my school you had to take some fairly advanced Math classes including Calculus and Linear Algebra, which are not easy unless you are comfortable with Math.
        tapland 7y ago
        But selection usually happens way before that. Probably at latest in middle school.
        merb 7y ago
        In germany it even happens before. parenting has a real impact on any child. it starts with the color of their cloths. some people really live the old way and belive and tell their boys that boys don't cry and they don't wear certain colors, etc. while girls need to behave girly wear nice looking cloths, etc. and then when it comes to homework they try to push their childs in certain directions. or tell/force their childs their dream.
jakelazaroff 7y ago
> Just because it's a man dominated field, does it mean the others remaining have no chance to get anything in that field? Maybe women have less of a chance to get something in that field because employers are specifically excluding them from their job ad targeting?

by zahrc 7y ago

stakhanov 7y ago

I object to the use of "dominated". In a herd, a "dominant" animal will actively work to keep others away from food sources and mating opportunities when those are scarce. This is not what this is. Strictly my opinion: There are few women in software engineering because few women WANT to be in software engineering, period. ...and it's not a given that this is by definition a bad thing for them either.

stakhanov 7y ago
...actually, it occurs to me that the animal kingdom comparison is kind of funny, because it shows the absurdity of the claim that an entire gender of a species dominates another. If, in some herd, all animals of a given gender were actually kept away from food sources and/or mating opportunities, that herd would die out.
hutzlibu 7y ago
Maybe one of the reasons women do not want to work in IT is, that the atmosphere is still sometimes sexist? Or at least arkward. When I started to study IT, I was surprised to see, that the stereotypes were the majority. Meaning, long, oily hair, etc. So I guess that is still changing, and I really do not believe 50% women should be the goal, but maybe the IT world still needs reflection sometimes, why so little women want to get into it.
- merb 7y ago
  Welk i think not all women Want a job in it. propably because when they were Kids they were stereotyped. A lot of them thus didn‘t liked math.
  - trickstra 7y ago
    IT is not about math
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      To be fair, IT was (and I'm guessing still is) perceived as something associated strongly with maths, even though actual jobs are year by year becoming increasingly less so.
    - llampx 7y ago
      Programming is pretty strongly about math, especially in university when you learn the theory and not just how to link an API to a database. In order to study CS at my school you had to take some fairly advanced Math classes including Calculus and Linear Algebra, which are not easy unless you are comfortable with Math.
      - tapland 7y ago
        But selection usually happens way before that. Probably at latest in middle school.
        merb 7y ago
        In germany it even happens before. parenting has a real impact on any child. it starts with the color of their cloths. some people really live the old way and belive and tell their boys that boys don't cry and they don't wear certain colors, etc. while girls need to behave girly wear nice looking cloths, etc. and then when it comes to homework they try to push their childs in certain directions. or tell/force their childs their dream.

jakelazaroff 7y ago

> Just because it's a man dominated field, does it mean the others remaining have no chance to get anything in that field? Maybe women have less of a chance to get something in that field because employers are specifically excluding them from their job ad targeting?