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It's not unreasonable to assume someone will have a line of sight for where a vehicle is being summoned from, just like when in the vehicle itself and you drive
by loceng 7y ago
It's not unreasonable to assume someone will have a line of sight for where a vehicle is being summoned from, just like when in the vehicle itself and you drive forward you're paying attention to its surroundings as well.
I have seen some videos released with summons that just a quick horn honk would have likely prevented another driver backing up their vehicle from bumping into, with enough force to do some front bumper damage, a Tesla being summoned in a parking lot; it moves slowly too, and that could also be a factor in surrounding drivers not gauging or having the same kinds of reactions.
- ksherlock 7y agoEver walk up to your car in the parking lot then realize... that's not your car? Now identify your car from across the parking lot. In California, where every other car is a ticky tacky Tesla (and they all look just the same). There are already anecdotes of people wondering why their car isn't summoning only to realize ... that's not their car.
- dragonwriter 7y ago> In California, where every other car is a ticky tacky Tesla I live in California, and if I see five Teslas in a day it's an unusual cluster. Now, Silicon Valley probably has a greater proportion of Teslas, but Silicon Valley isn't typical of the state.
- eclipxe 7y agoI’m in Orange County and I usually see 8-12 on a short drive. Easily 30-40 across a normal day with a 15 minute commute.
- ultrasounder 7y agoLive in SV and my commute i see average of 30 M3s, about 10 S and 5 X mostly on 101. Also i see about 5 delivery truck packing about 5 cars each every day. Thats a lot of cars.
- HeyLaughingBoy 7y agoReally? Even just during my 10 minute walk to work in Minneapolis, MN I'll probably see five every day.
- jumpingmice 7y agoWhy do people say that highly populous areas are “not typical”?
- dragonwriter 7y agoMedian household income in San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont metro area is over $100K, for the state as a whole it's about $70K. That's one reason the former isn't typical of the latter.
- loceng 7y agoFair point - so certain scenarios likely would benefit from visual and perhaps audio signals, lights flashing - certain lighter horn noise. Perhaps even listening to audio for someone nearby to be able to say "stop" and the vehicle would stop - or respond similarly to other horn noises.
- CedarMadness 7y agoNew electric cars have a low speed noise maker in the US (required by law after sometime this year), but most Teslas on the road now were built before this was a requirement.
- loceng 7y agoI think that's one of the stupidest additives of constant noise pollution - noise pollution being one reason people zone out and stop paying attention to their environment, rather than people being aware that they're about to step onto a road.
- wiggles_md 7y agoNot everyone can see.
- loceng 7y agoAnd those people are going to be much less likely to randomly, unexpectedly walk out in front of traffic where it's not a designated crosswalk. I bet their hearing is refined, heightened, to more easily notice quieter electric vehicles as well.
- jakeogh 7y agoAs someone who grew up before smartphones, with plenty of noise pollution, I am sure it's not the noise. People cross the street stairing at their hands.
- hawaiianbrah 7y ago
- coldtea 7y ago>It's not unreasonable to assume someone will have a line of sight for where a vehicle is being summoned from And do what? Magically jump in the car and take over the breaks when a kid suddenly appears on a bicycle going towards the car? Or are they only supposed to summon the car in the Mojave, where there's fully open line of sight and few passers-by?
- natch 7y agoNo, they can stop the car pretty much instantly. No magic required. And for the case you mention, a kid on a bicycle, the car will stop itself if needed for safety.
- kd5bjo 7y agoThe car should stop itself for safety, but may not have the awareness to do this successfully. Bicyclists are explicitly listed in the warning about paying attention to the surroundings of your car while it is being summoned.
- natch 7y agoPaying attention to surroundings is good.
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoBut magic _is_ required. A reasonable field of view to assess the hazard or approaching kid on the bike might, quite easily, be available from the car, but not 20m away looking toward the car. Case in point. That car in the video that turns into the car park looks like comes from behind the guy with the phone. Someone in the car, or the self driving sw, should have seen it far earlier. Maybe even noticed an indicator, or deceleration.
- loceng 7y agoAnd that scenario of a kid on a bicycle not being seen until they're almost in front of you exists while a driver in the vehicle too: collision detection will certainly be able to have a faster reaction than a human driver as well.
- vkou 7y agoI can have line of sight of my vehicle, but in a parking lot, there may be a small child, obscured by other vehicles, in the path of motion of my car. What do you think is going to happen, when a Tesla runs one over? Hint: They are going to blame the driver for using this feature in a parking lot. Their fanboys will defend the hell out of that statement. They will be oddly silent on the subject of 'If you're not going to use this feature in a parking lot, where the hell are you supposed to use it?' A 'self-driving' car that is incapable of collision avoidance is not yet ready for the market.