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This is something I've been wondering about. I recently interviewed for a full-stack dev position, and I felt I did quite well on all of the development questio

by _bxg1 7y ago

This is something I've been wondering about. I recently interviewed for a full-stack dev position, and I felt I did quite well on all of the development questions. It wasn't a devops role - they had a whole separate devops position - but I got passed over for another candidate and when I got the news it was suggested that I should "get some devops experience" and maybe try again in the future. I thought that was weird. I know generally what docker/containers do and what purpose things like Kubernetes serve, I'd just never used them. I figured I'd be able to pick up whatever I needed for doing minimal devops tasks in the course of the job. Is it common to expect more than that from "developers"? This was neither a small nor a foolish company.

darkr 7y ago
I can’t speak for how common it is, but in my opinion, it is not unreasonable to ask that developers have at least a reasonable understanding of how the systems that they build actually work, throughout at least the majority of the layers of abstraction that they run upon. It is though quite unreasonable to expect experience with specific tools, unless you’ve asked for them on the job spec. The title “full stack engineer” is a whole other can of worms, not a million miles away from this DevOps thread.
- cmiles74 7y ago
  I agree with brundolf, these are tools and most people can get a handle on how they work in an afternoon or two. We aren't talking about expecting new hires set this infrastructure up from scratch, just use the tools that are already in place.
wolco 7y ago
It's a poor excuse if they did not list those skills as required. People need a reason to reject and will use a variety reasons that may not apply or matter for the job you are applying for as long as it sounds good on paper.
Aeolun 7y ago
> full-stack dev position How can you be a full-stack dev if you haven’t deployed (and kept running) anything in the past few years? Unless you just kept manually rsync-ing files to a server all that time.
- sah2ed 7y ago
  You are making a subtle mixup between “I am” vs “I can”. He didn’t write that he is a full stack dev, he wrote that he interviewed for a full stack dev role: > “I recently interviewed for a full-stack dev position, and I felt I did quite well on all of the development questions.”
  - Aeolun 7y ago
    That is a fair point. My main idea was that the questions make sense in context. The ‘you’ in my message should be read as a generic you.

by _bxg1 7y ago

darkr 7y ago

I can’t speak for how common it is, but in my opinion, it is not unreasonable to ask that developers have at least a reasonable understanding of how the systems that they build actually work, throughout at least the majority of the layers of abstraction that they run upon. It is though quite unreasonable to expect experience with specific tools, unless you’ve asked for them on the job spec. The title “full stack engineer” is a whole other can of worms, not a million miles away from this DevOps thread.

cmiles74 7y ago
I agree with brundolf, these are tools and most people can get a handle on how they work in an afternoon or two. We aren't talking about expecting new hires set this infrastructure up from scratch, just use the tools that are already in place.

wolco 7y ago

It's a poor excuse if they did not list those skills as required. People need a reason to reject and will use a variety reasons that may not apply or matter for the job you are applying for as long as it sounds good on paper.

Aeolun 7y ago

> full-stack dev position How can you be a full-stack dev if you haven’t deployed (and kept running) anything in the past few years? Unless you just kept manually rsync-ing files to a server all that time.

sah2ed 7y ago
You are making a subtle mixup between “I am” vs “I can”. He didn’t write that he is a full stack dev, he wrote that he interviewed for a full stack dev role: > “I recently interviewed for a full-stack dev position, and I felt I did quite well on all of the development questions.”
- Aeolun 7y ago
  That is a fair point. My main idea was that the questions make sense in context. The ‘you’ in my message should be read as a generic you.