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>Bottled water is a scam, and it also is a resources that's often extracted from poor countries and communities Are you sure about this? My impression is that

>Bottled water is a scam, and it also is a resources that's often extracted from poor countries and communities Are you sure about this? My impression is that the price/weight ratio of bottled water is way to low to make any sense to not bottle them in close proximity, so "extracted from poor countries" doesn't sound plausible.

onion2k 7y ago
The bottled water is produced close to where it's sold. The issue is in countries where the water bottling plant takes up lots of the available local water so the poorer citizens can't access it, and they can't afford the bottled water either. This means they don't have access to any clean water. One of Nestle's recent CEOs actually went on record to say say he didn't believe access to clean water should be a human right.
- Reason077 7y ago
  > "The bottled water is produced close to where it's sold." Well, not always. Premium brands are often shipped long distances. Evian, Fiji water, etc...
  - reaperducer 7y ago
    I've seen New York City municipal water sold in supermarkets on the west coast. The brand was something clever like NYC2O.
    - rrix2 7y ago
      I wonder if anyone's tried making bagels with it yet.
      - reaperducer 7y ago
        There was a place in Las Vegas called Glaziers that had New York City water trucked in to make its bagels. They were very good, but very expensive. It's out of business now.
  - tokai 7y ago
    Voss made a fortune selling Norwegian tap water around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_(water) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_(water)
    - inimino 7y ago
      I used to like their glass bottles, recently I bought again and found they have switched to plastic (at least in some markets) that looks the same and even feels the same until you open it. Fooled me once, shame on them; will never buy again.
      - Reason077 7y ago
        If you look carefully at the base of the bottle, the glass version has molding marks (raised dots and ridges) that aren't present the plastic version.
- fireattack 7y ago
  Can't access what, tap water? That sounds more like a problem of the local government than factories of bottled water. >he didn't believe access to clean water should be a human right Depends on the definition of "human right". You still pay for even the tap water in your home after all.
  - SamReidHughes 7y ago
    One might argue that being allowed to dig a well on your land for drinking water is a human right. Clean water was once the natural order of things.
    - Moru 7y ago
      But if the neighbour is called Nestlé and has a deeper well, your well will go dry. This model shows the problem nicely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4iCgxsZX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4iCgxsZX4
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    Basically in countries where water supplies are limited Nestle come in and buy the water, meaning wells go dry but Nestle still have enough to sell. Those in water poverty can't outbid Nestle, nor pay the right people bungs. Snopes does cover the situation quite well (see link upthread). This sort of thing: https://www.nationofchange.org/2019/08/30/nestle-waters-proposal-to-take-1-1-million-gallons-a-day-from-florida/ https://www.nationofchange.org/2019/08/30/nestle-waters-prop....
- rb808 7y ago
  He didnt say that. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nestle-ceo-water-not-human-right/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nestle-ceo-water-not-human...
  - awinder 7y ago
    He doesn’t think water should be a human right, he didn’t make a direct quote and the parent didn’t put anything in quotes so I don’t think there’s a problem here. A snopes “mixture” score isn’t something I’d bandy about like it’s an argument killer for sure, lol.
  - GeneralTspoon 7y ago
    He did say that he thinks the idea that bottled water is a human right is “extreme”, and that he doesn’t believe it should be. Full quote: > “Water is, of course, the most important raw material we have today in the world. It’s a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution. The other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other, and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value. Personally, I believe it’s better to give a foodstuff a value so that we’re all aware it has its price, and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water, and there are many different possibilities there.” The Snopes article only disputes that he didn’t specifically say the words “Water is NOT a human right”, but backs up what the GP said (that he doesn’t believe it should be a human right).
    - molmalo 7y ago
      >He did say that he thinks the idea that bottled water is a human right is “extreme”, and that he doesn’t believe it should be. No, he is not saying bottled water. He is saying water plain and simple. Any water. "That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution." So, for him, having access to water (any water) is not a human right. If some people can not afford to pay for it, that's their problem, or the government's to find an alternative ("and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water"). And to respond to him: Yes, Human Right to water is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right_to_water_and_sanitation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right_to_water_and_sanit...
- sdfmmkmsdfmk 7y ago
  It shouldn't be a human right. It doesn't make sense. TO say it is a human right would mean if somebody would build a hut in the desert, the world would have to build a water pipeline for them. That would be very ineffective. I only know about Nestle, there often is the story about them supposedly depleting water in dry regions (I think Afghanistan or Pakistan). But if you look it up, they take the water from a very water rich region in that country. Next time you read that Nestle story, look it up. I don't have time to Google right now.
  - nabla9 7y ago
    > TO say it is a human right would mean if somebody would build a hut in the desert, You use the most idiotic interpretation you can imagine and then stating it as a fact. I'm sure that you are not doing this in bad faith, but your thinking is missing basic common sense that cripples you ability to understand society. Human right to water and sanitation (HRWS) is very reasonable right. It means that HRWS rules over other concerns in legal disputes and affects policy priorities. This paper has real world legal cases and interpretations: https://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/pdf/human_right_to_water_and_sanitation_media_brief.pdf https://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/pdf/human_right_to_wat...
    - sdfmmkmsdfmk 7y ago
      The quotation is from a movie that literally shows people living in a desert like environment, implying they should be given water. It's not my idiotic interpretation, it is what the quotation refers to. They should move somewhere where they can get water. UN may pay for it or whatever. But to show people in some rotten place and complain that they don't get their human right to water makes no sense. Also, the point of finding "most idiotic interpretations" is to make it obvious if something makes no sense. You are just not used to logical thinking (here, finding trivial counter examples).

onion2k 7y ago

The bottled water is produced close to where it's sold. The issue is in countries where the water bottling plant takes up lots of the available local water so the poorer citizens can't access it, and they can't afford the bottled water either. This means they don't have access to any clean water. One of Nestle's recent CEOs actually went on record to say say he didn't believe access to clean water should be a human right.

Reason077 7y ago
> "The bottled water is produced close to where it's sold." Well, not always. Premium brands are often shipped long distances. Evian, Fiji water, etc...
- reaperducer 7y ago
  I've seen New York City municipal water sold in supermarkets on the west coast. The brand was something clever like NYC2O.
  - rrix2 7y ago
    I wonder if anyone's tried making bagels with it yet.
    - reaperducer 7y ago
      There was a place in Las Vegas called Glaziers that had New York City water trucked in to make its bagels. They were very good, but very expensive. It's out of business now.
- tokai 7y ago
  Voss made a fortune selling Norwegian tap water around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_(water) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_(water)
  - inimino 7y ago
    I used to like their glass bottles, recently I bought again and found they have switched to plastic (at least in some markets) that looks the same and even feels the same until you open it. Fooled me once, shame on them; will never buy again.
    - Reason077 7y ago
      If you look carefully at the base of the bottle, the glass version has molding marks (raised dots and ridges) that aren't present the plastic version.
fireattack 7y ago
Can't access what, tap water? That sounds more like a problem of the local government than factories of bottled water. >he didn't believe access to clean water should be a human right Depends on the definition of "human right". You still pay for even the tap water in your home after all.
- SamReidHughes 7y ago
  One might argue that being allowed to dig a well on your land for drinking water is a human right. Clean water was once the natural order of things.
  - Moru 7y ago
    But if the neighbour is called Nestlé and has a deeper well, your well will go dry. This model shows the problem nicely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4iCgxsZX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4iCgxsZX4
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  Basically in countries where water supplies are limited Nestle come in and buy the water, meaning wells go dry but Nestle still have enough to sell. Those in water poverty can't outbid Nestle, nor pay the right people bungs. Snopes does cover the situation quite well (see link upthread). This sort of thing: https://www.nationofchange.org/2019/08/30/nestle-waters-proposal-to-take-1-1-million-gallons-a-day-from-florida/ https://www.nationofchange.org/2019/08/30/nestle-waters-prop....
rb808 7y ago
He didnt say that. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nestle-ceo-water-not-human-right/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nestle-ceo-water-not-human...
- awinder 7y ago
  He doesn’t think water should be a human right, he didn’t make a direct quote and the parent didn’t put anything in quotes so I don’t think there’s a problem here. A snopes “mixture” score isn’t something I’d bandy about like it’s an argument killer for sure, lol.
- GeneralTspoon 7y ago
  He did say that he thinks the idea that bottled water is a human right is “extreme”, and that he doesn’t believe it should be. Full quote: > “Water is, of course, the most important raw material we have today in the world. It’s a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution. The other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other, and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value. Personally, I believe it’s better to give a foodstuff a value so that we’re all aware it has its price, and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water, and there are many different possibilities there.” The Snopes article only disputes that he didn’t specifically say the words “Water is NOT a human right”, but backs up what the GP said (that he doesn’t believe it should be a human right).
  - molmalo 7y ago
    >He did say that he thinks the idea that bottled water is a human right is “extreme”, and that he doesn’t believe it should be. No, he is not saying bottled water. He is saying water plain and simple. Any water. "That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution." So, for him, having access to water (any water) is not a human right. If some people can not afford to pay for it, that's their problem, or the government's to find an alternative ("and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water"). And to respond to him: Yes, Human Right to water is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right_to_water_and_sanitation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right_to_water_and_sanit...
sdfmmkmsdfmk 7y ago
It shouldn't be a human right. It doesn't make sense. TO say it is a human right would mean if somebody would build a hut in the desert, the world would have to build a water pipeline for them. That would be very ineffective. I only know about Nestle, there often is the story about them supposedly depleting water in dry regions (I think Afghanistan or Pakistan). But if you look it up, they take the water from a very water rich region in that country. Next time you read that Nestle story, look it up. I don't have time to Google right now.
- nabla9 7y ago
  > TO say it is a human right would mean if somebody would build a hut in the desert, You use the most idiotic interpretation you can imagine and then stating it as a fact. I'm sure that you are not doing this in bad faith, but your thinking is missing basic common sense that cripples you ability to understand society. Human right to water and sanitation (HRWS) is very reasonable right. It means that HRWS rules over other concerns in legal disputes and affects policy priorities. This paper has real world legal cases and interpretations: https://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/pdf/human_right_to_water_and_sanitation_media_brief.pdf https://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/pdf/human_right_to_wat...
  - sdfmmkmsdfmk 7y ago
    The quotation is from a movie that literally shows people living in a desert like environment, implying they should be given water. It's not my idiotic interpretation, it is what the quotation refers to. They should move somewhere where they can get water. UN may pay for it or whatever. But to show people in some rotten place and complain that they don't get their human right to water makes no sense. Also, the point of finding "most idiotic interpretations" is to make it obvious if something makes no sense. You are just not used to logical thinking (here, finding trivial counter examples).