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> Somehow I missed this, so a person literally working on helping the government kill people was the one asking to remove RMS? Yep https://www.linkedin.com/in

> Somehow I missed this, so a person literally working on helping the government kill people was the one asking to remove RMS? Yep https://www.linkedin.com/in/selam-gano-089895ba/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/selam-gano-089895ba/

Fnoord 7y ago
"Mission accomplished." Reminds me of the women who accused Assange. Then there is the witchhunt against Jacob Appelbaum. Sense a pattern? Regardless of whether these allegations are true or false, there is a lesson to be learned here. The lesson here is that [some] men have a severe weakness related to their sexuality. I'd assume US HUMINT knows about this lesson, very well.
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  > me of the women who accused Assange There's a huge difference though. Assange after he was accused of rape escaped from the process and started rambling about a “radical feminist conspiracy” Stallman is not accused of anything, never escaped and if you write to him (he still answer to everybody) will ask you to support the FSF because it's important And this is the man women and students should be afraid of...
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    > after he was accused of rape Rape implies... rape. He is just accused of removing a condom. > escaped from the process Wasn't that due to the (rightful imo) fear of being sent to the US?
    - DanBC 7y ago
      > He is just accused of removing a condom 1) That's rape and 2) he's accused of more than that. Here's the case: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html This sounds pretty rapey to me. > As regards offence 1, AA said in her statement that she had offered the use of her apartment to Mr Assange from 11-14 August 2010 when she was away. She had returned on 13 August 2010 earlier than planned and then met him for the first time. They went out to dinner and returned to her apartment. As they drank tea, he started to fondle her leg which she welcomed. Everything happened fast. Mr Assange ripped off her clothes and at the same time broke her necklace. She tried to put her clothes on again, but Mr Assange had immediately removed them again. She had thought that she did not really want to continue, but it was too late to tell Mr Assange to stop as she had consented so far. Accordingly she let Mr Assange take off all her clothes. Thereafter they laid down on the bed naked with AA on her back and Mr Assange on top. Mr Assange wanted to insert his penis into her vagina, but she did not want him to do that as he was not using a condom. She therefore squeezed her legs together in order to avoid him penetrating her. She tried to reach several times for a condom which Mr Assange had stopped her from doing by holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her with his penis without a condom. Mr Assange must have known it was a condom AA was reaching for and he had held her arms to stop her. After a while Mr Assange had asked AA what she was doing and why she was squeezing her legs together; AA told him she wanted him to put on a condom before he entered her. Mr Assange let go of AA's arms and put on a condom which AA found for him. AA felt a strong sense of unexpressed resistance on Mr Assange' s part against using a condom.
      - dependenttypes 7y ago
        > That's rape Legally in Sweden? Sure, but in everyday speech rape implies a lot of things which did not happen in the Assange case. I would say that Stallman's argument about sexual assault would apply perfectly here.
        DanBC 7y ago
        Legally in the UK. If Assange wants to use the "it's not rape in Sweden" defence the place to do that is in the courts, which he has spent considerable effort avoiding for the past decade.
    - lostjohnny 7y ago
      > Rape implies... rape. He is just accused of removing a condom Was Stallman right (again!) when he wrote "I think it is morally absurd to define 'rape' in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17," ? Of course he was! According to Swedish law, that's rape. Welcome to the rest of the world, where the US laws do not apply. > Wasn't that due to the (rightful imo) fear of being sent to the US? Still escaped and blamed "feminists" Would Epstein be right to escape because US wanted to prosecute him on the account of trafficking young girls?
      - Aeolun 7y ago
        > Would Epstein be right to escape because US wanted to prosecute him on the account of trafficking young girls? I think I’d argue that yes, from his perspective, in hindsight, that would probably have been a good idea.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > Then there is the witchhunt against Jacob Appelbaum. Sense a pattern? DJB too, see https://blog.cr.yp.to/20160607-dueprocess.html https://blog.cr.yp.to/20160607-dueprocess.html and https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-vale...
cptskippy 7y ago
Ok just so we're clear... You're arguing that defending a statutory rapist isn't supporting pedophilia BUT working on the guidance systems for an autonomous ground vehicle is "help the government kill people"?
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  > You're arguing that defending a statutory rapist isn't supporting pedophilia Wrong. I'm saying that Stallman never defended a statutory rapist. He tried to defend the protest from the backlash of using the wrong terms and a dead person from an accusation that is hard to prove anyway now that he's dead. Statutory rape is just a safer option given the circumstances. BTW defending a statutory rapist is not supporting pedophilia or any attorney who defended an alleged (there is no official accusation yet) statutory rapist was also supporting pedophilia? > for an autonomous ground vehicle is "help the government kill people"? That's what drones are for... And I've never said that either. I've only said that she works there.
sireat 7y ago
"Passionate about using engineering for a positive impact on the world." - well most of us think we are not the bad guy but the cognitive dissonance is strong here.

Fnoord 7y ago

"Mission accomplished." Reminds me of the women who accused Assange. Then there is the witchhunt against Jacob Appelbaum. Sense a pattern? Regardless of whether these allegations are true or false, there is a lesson to be learned here. The lesson here is that [some] men have a severe weakness related to their sexuality. I'd assume US HUMINT knows about this lesson, very well.

lostjohnny 7y ago
> me of the women who accused Assange There's a huge difference though. Assange after he was accused of rape escaped from the process and started rambling about a “radical feminist conspiracy” Stallman is not accused of anything, never escaped and if you write to him (he still answer to everybody) will ask you to support the FSF because it's important And this is the man women and students should be afraid of...
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > after he was accused of rape Rape implies... rape. He is just accused of removing a condom. > escaped from the process Wasn't that due to the (rightful imo) fear of being sent to the US?
  - DanBC 7y ago
    > He is just accused of removing a condom 1) That's rape and 2) he's accused of more than that. Here's the case: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html This sounds pretty rapey to me. > As regards offence 1, AA said in her statement that she had offered the use of her apartment to Mr Assange from 11-14 August 2010 when she was away. She had returned on 13 August 2010 earlier than planned and then met him for the first time. They went out to dinner and returned to her apartment. As they drank tea, he started to fondle her leg which she welcomed. Everything happened fast. Mr Assange ripped off her clothes and at the same time broke her necklace. She tried to put her clothes on again, but Mr Assange had immediately removed them again. She had thought that she did not really want to continue, but it was too late to tell Mr Assange to stop as she had consented so far. Accordingly she let Mr Assange take off all her clothes. Thereafter they laid down on the bed naked with AA on her back and Mr Assange on top. Mr Assange wanted to insert his penis into her vagina, but she did not want him to do that as he was not using a condom. She therefore squeezed her legs together in order to avoid him penetrating her. She tried to reach several times for a condom which Mr Assange had stopped her from doing by holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her with his penis without a condom. Mr Assange must have known it was a condom AA was reaching for and he had held her arms to stop her. After a while Mr Assange had asked AA what she was doing and why she was squeezing her legs together; AA told him she wanted him to put on a condom before he entered her. Mr Assange let go of AA's arms and put on a condom which AA found for him. AA felt a strong sense of unexpressed resistance on Mr Assange' s part against using a condom.
    - dependenttypes 7y ago
      > That's rape Legally in Sweden? Sure, but in everyday speech rape implies a lot of things which did not happen in the Assange case. I would say that Stallman's argument about sexual assault would apply perfectly here.
      - DanBC 7y ago
        Legally in the UK. If Assange wants to use the "it's not rape in Sweden" defence the place to do that is in the courts, which he has spent considerable effort avoiding for the past decade.
  - lostjohnny 7y ago
    > Rape implies... rape. He is just accused of removing a condom Was Stallman right (again!) when he wrote "I think it is morally absurd to define 'rape' in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17," ? Of course he was! According to Swedish law, that's rape. Welcome to the rest of the world, where the US laws do not apply. > Wasn't that due to the (rightful imo) fear of being sent to the US? Still escaped and blamed "feminists" Would Epstein be right to escape because US wanted to prosecute him on the account of trafficking young girls?
    - Aeolun 7y ago
      > Would Epstein be right to escape because US wanted to prosecute him on the account of trafficking young girls? I think I’d argue that yes, from his perspective, in hindsight, that would probably have been a good idea.
dependenttypes 7y ago
> Then there is the witchhunt against Jacob Appelbaum. Sense a pattern? DJB too, see https://blog.cr.yp.to/20160607-dueprocess.html https://blog.cr.yp.to/20160607-dueprocess.html and https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-vale...

cptskippy 7y ago

Ok just so we're clear... You're arguing that defending a statutory rapist isn't supporting pedophilia BUT working on the guidance systems for an autonomous ground vehicle is "help the government kill people"?

lostjohnny 7y ago
> You're arguing that defending a statutory rapist isn't supporting pedophilia Wrong. I'm saying that Stallman never defended a statutory rapist. He tried to defend the protest from the backlash of using the wrong terms and a dead person from an accusation that is hard to prove anyway now that he's dead. Statutory rape is just a safer option given the circumstances. BTW defending a statutory rapist is not supporting pedophilia or any attorney who defended an alleged (there is no official accusation yet) statutory rapist was also supporting pedophilia? > for an autonomous ground vehicle is "help the government kill people"? That's what drones are for... And I've never said that either. I've only said that she works there.

sireat 7y ago

"Passionate about using engineering for a positive impact on the world." - well most of us think we are not the bad guy but the cognitive dissonance is strong here.