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> doesn't ruin RMS. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself. There was a time where his style of firebrand-like vitriol against proprietary software was

> doesn't ruin RMS. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself. There was a time where his style of firebrand-like vitriol against proprietary software was crucial. But that time is over. GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. GNU does not have the influence it once did. It is an organisation geared up to solve the problems of the early 90s. The real crux is this, "computing" and free software is not the preserve of academia anymore. It should be for everyone. Which means getting rid of deliberately antagonistic behaviour. It serves noone. I want my children to follow in my footsteps, as I followed my dad. But they can't do that if we cling to these idols who bully, cajole and generally act like obnoxious arseholes. There is just no need anymore. It doesn't work, it doesn't make for better code. Crucially it serves as an excuse to let abusers, psychopaths and other nasties continue to abuse people "because RMS, Jobs & Ballmer all did it" No, that kind of behaviour has to stop.

soulofmischief 7y ago
So now RMS is abusing people? Citation, please? I'm sorry, but being a rude and obnoxious person doesn't mean the local lynch mob gets to decide when you have to step down from the foundation you created in the name of ensuring human freedom for generations to come. Linux has hardly "won". Most of my friends and coworkers use Mac or Windows. Your post is filled with short-sighted, opinionated nonsense. RMS continues to fight the good fight despite the public turning on him so readily.
- kace91 7y ago
  > I'm sorry, but being a rude and obnoxious person doesn't mean the local lynch mob gets to decide when you have to step down from the foundation you created in the name of ensuring human freedom for generations to come. No, but considering that his is a position of mostly PR and management nowadays, the majority of the community can agree that having a rude and obnoxious person as their visible head is neither doing any favors to their external image nor helping them move forward internally. Linux has won in the server (and others) by being the better technical product. Linux has lost the desktop war (and laptop, and mobile unless you count android) by being the inferior product in terms of UX, ease of use and in general ignoring everything that isn't pure technical areas. As the parent comment said, this was fine when tech was mostly isolated from mainstream users, but it doesn't cut it anymore. We need new kinds of people, and new visions, for new kinds of challenges. This is not a judgement of him as a person or his former work, mind you. It's a judgement of the qualities that we'd hope for in a leader/public face and whether RMS fits the role nowadays.
  - hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
    > majority of the community can agree I am unaware we voted on this topic. Also Linux won on the server because it is free as in beer.
lostjohnny 7y ago
> was a time where his style of firebrand-like vitriol against proprietary software was crucial. But that time is over [citation needed] Anyway, even if it was true, has him become disposable? > want my children to follow in my footsteps, as I followed my dad Maybe your dad wasn't such a great person for other people except you though. Maybe I would prefer my kids being more like RMS than me or your dad or you. What you want it's irrelevant. > who bully, cajole and generally act like obnoxious arseholes he's been bullied all of his life, because he never conformed to any norm. And there are people like you keep doing that. There's that too.
- KaiserPro 7y ago
  If, my dear lostjohnny, were to read those sentences as a whole, you would be able to grasp the point I don't want my children to be in a workplace run my angry bullies. I don't want anyone's kids to be run by angry bullies. But then you knew that already, you're a clever sausage really. > And there are people like you keep doing that. are you seriously trying to gatekeep non-conformism.
anoncake 7y ago
> GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. Not in any real sense. There is a lot of open source[1] software in use but the current state of computing doesn't have much to do with freedom. Open Source may have won, Free Software hasn't.
andrepd 7y ago
>There was a time where his style of firebrand-like vitriol against proprietary software was crucial. But that time is over. GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. What the fuck? What percentage of consumer computing devices in the world are running free software? Windows+OSX+iOS+Android account for >96% of market share. In what world, in what possible conception, did GNU/Linux "win"? >GNU does not have the influence it once did. It is an organisation geared up to solve the problems of the early 90s. Like: free phone OS, decentralization, federation and self-hosting, real-time voice and video chat, accessibility, an AI assistant. [1] >cling to these idols who bully, cajole and generally act like obnoxious arseholes. >Crucially it serves as an excuse to let abusers, psychopaths and other nasties continue to abuse people "because RMS, Jobs & Ballmer all did it" Again, what the fuck, am I seriously missing something here, or when did Stallman ever "abuse" someone? How is he a "psychopath"? A "bully"? A "nastie" (what is this, 2nd grade)? [1]: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/ https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/
imtringued 7y ago
>But that time is over. GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. Maybe if you get formal education or go to a boot camp to learn software development. The "future of computing" is in walled gardens like Chromebooks, iPads or Windows S. Not allowing software development on them is part of the added value. Google plans on getting rid of Linux and replace it with Fuchsia once it has matured.
reeves23423 7y ago
Comparing RMS to Jobs and Ballmer is a joke. RMS is way more capable and he devoted his personal life for the sake of good. Jobs and Ballmer are just business people.
- fsloth 7y ago
  'Just business'? That is an understatment. Jobs' work redefined business in several product categories. That's not 'just business'. Jobs should be admired for his business skill, even though if you don't like the walled garden he put up.

soulofmischief 7y ago

So now RMS is abusing people? Citation, please? I'm sorry, but being a rude and obnoxious person doesn't mean the local lynch mob gets to decide when you have to step down from the foundation you created in the name of ensuring human freedom for generations to come. Linux has hardly "won". Most of my friends and coworkers use Mac or Windows. Your post is filled with short-sighted, opinionated nonsense. RMS continues to fight the good fight despite the public turning on him so readily.

kace91 7y ago
> I'm sorry, but being a rude and obnoxious person doesn't mean the local lynch mob gets to decide when you have to step down from the foundation you created in the name of ensuring human freedom for generations to come. No, but considering that his is a position of mostly PR and management nowadays, the majority of the community can agree that having a rude and obnoxious person as their visible head is neither doing any favors to their external image nor helping them move forward internally. Linux has won in the server (and others) by being the better technical product. Linux has lost the desktop war (and laptop, and mobile unless you count android) by being the inferior product in terms of UX, ease of use and in general ignoring everything that isn't pure technical areas. As the parent comment said, this was fine when tech was mostly isolated from mainstream users, but it doesn't cut it anymore. We need new kinds of people, and new visions, for new kinds of challenges. This is not a judgement of him as a person or his former work, mind you. It's a judgement of the qualities that we'd hope for in a leader/public face and whether RMS fits the role nowadays.
- hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
  > majority of the community can agree I am unaware we voted on this topic. Also Linux won on the server because it is free as in beer.

lostjohnny 7y ago

> was a time where his style of firebrand-like vitriol against proprietary software was crucial. But that time is over [citation needed] Anyway, even if it was true, has him become disposable? > want my children to follow in my footsteps, as I followed my dad Maybe your dad wasn't such a great person for other people except you though. Maybe I would prefer my kids being more like RMS than me or your dad or you. What you want it's irrelevant. > who bully, cajole and generally act like obnoxious arseholes he's been bullied all of his life, because he never conformed to any norm. And there are people like you keep doing that. There's that too.

KaiserPro 7y ago
If, my dear lostjohnny, were to read those sentences as a whole, you would be able to grasp the point I don't want my children to be in a workplace run my angry bullies. I don't want anyone's kids to be run by angry bullies. But then you knew that already, you're a clever sausage really. > And there are people like you keep doing that. are you seriously trying to gatekeep non-conformism.

anoncake 7y ago

> GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. Not in any real sense. There is a lot of open source[1] software in use but the current state of computing doesn't have much to do with freedom. Open Source may have won, Free Software hasn't.

andrepd 7y ago

>There was a time where his style of firebrand-like vitriol against proprietary software was crucial. But that time is over. GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. What the fuck? What percentage of consumer computing devices in the world are running free software? Windows+OSX+iOS+Android account for >96% of market share. In what world, in what possible conception, did GNU/Linux "win"? >GNU does not have the influence it once did. It is an organisation geared up to solve the problems of the early 90s. Like: free phone OS, decentralization, federation and self-hosting, real-time voice and video chat, accessibility, an AI assistant. [1] >cling to these idols who bully, cajole and generally act like obnoxious arseholes. >Crucially it serves as an excuse to let abusers, psychopaths and other nasties continue to abuse people "because RMS, Jobs & Ballmer all did it" Again, what the fuck, am I seriously missing something here, or when did Stallman ever "abuse" someone? How is he a "psychopath"? A "bully"? A "nastie" (what is this, 2nd grade)? [1]: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/ https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/

imtringued 7y ago

>But that time is over. GNU/Linux won, it won years ago. Maybe if you get formal education or go to a boot camp to learn software development. The "future of computing" is in walled gardens like Chromebooks, iPads or Windows S. Not allowing software development on them is part of the added value. Google plans on getting rid of Linux and replace it with Fuchsia once it has matured.

reeves23423 7y ago

Comparing RMS to Jobs and Ballmer is a joke. RMS is way more capable and he devoted his personal life for the sake of good. Jobs and Ballmer are just business people.

fsloth 7y ago
'Just business'? That is an understatment. Jobs' work redefined business in several product categories. That's not 'just business'. Jobs should be admired for his business skill, even though if you don't like the walled garden he put up.