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Any idea why they would want to kill your notes app? There are already a bunch out there and Notes has been around forever.

fluder 7y ago
I dont think that they want kill my app, seems like they kills apps by random.
mikepurvis 7y ago
I don't think they have to want to do anything. This is just the reality of a faceless bureaucracy which isn't accountable to anyone or anything. To the dev, their app is their livelihood— to Apple, it's just a ticket in a queue somewhere.
- deleted 7y ago
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- benologist 7y ago
  There is nobody advocating for developers nor monitoring or reacting to abusive behavior except scattered competition and consumer rights bureaus struggling to impose fairness within their limited domain. Companies exploit this for profit in many unethical ways. For instance Apple didn't voluntarily print new marketing material for the EU they advertised a one year warranty illegally instead to upsell Apple Care and went to court multiple times for it. Steam had to be sued to provide refunds. Google had to be sued to refund $75 million in funds they claimed they were returning because of fraud. Business as usual is basically a dark pattern - do whatever they want because it will take years if ever for anyone to challenge them meanwhile there is zero oversight. https://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/04/02/123207/apple-is-forced-by-eu-to-give-2-years-warranty-on-all-its-products https://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/04/02/123207/apple-is-fo... https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/valve-australia-fine-1202772984/ https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/valve-australia-fine-12... https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-refund-advertisers-after-suit-over-fraud-scheme-11558113251 https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-refund-advertisers-af...
- TomBombadildoze 7y ago
  > This is just the reality of a faceless bureaucracy which isn't accountable to anyone or anything. Please. They're accountable to their one billion plus customers who depend on them to keep as much riff raff as possible out of the app store. They're likewise accountable to the developers who created this market. Apple's process is imperfect. They certainly raise a lot of false negatives. The requirements are sometimes onerous and nebulous. However, the alternative is knowingly peddling hot garbage and harming their customers, partners, third-party developers, and thus, their own business.
  - mikepurvis 7y ago
    Sure, but 90% of users just want their email, Facebook, and Netflix. Apart from that, they want a search bar to find other stuff. If you're an app developer targeting that "other stuff" market, Apple has no business reason to care about the individual you or your specific app other than in aggregate.

fluder 7y ago

I dont think that they want kill my app, seems like they kills apps by random.

mikepurvis 7y ago

I don't think they have to want to do anything. This is just the reality of a faceless bureaucracy which isn't accountable to anyone or anything. To the dev, their app is their livelihood— to Apple, it's just a ticket in a queue somewhere.

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benologist 7y ago
There is nobody advocating for developers nor monitoring or reacting to abusive behavior except scattered competition and consumer rights bureaus struggling to impose fairness within their limited domain. Companies exploit this for profit in many unethical ways. For instance Apple didn't voluntarily print new marketing material for the EU they advertised a one year warranty illegally instead to upsell Apple Care and went to court multiple times for it. Steam had to be sued to provide refunds. Google had to be sued to refund $75 million in funds they claimed they were returning because of fraud. Business as usual is basically a dark pattern - do whatever they want because it will take years if ever for anyone to challenge them meanwhile there is zero oversight. https://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/04/02/123207/apple-is-forced-by-eu-to-give-2-years-warranty-on-all-its-products https://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/04/02/123207/apple-is-fo... https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/valve-australia-fine-1202772984/ https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/valve-australia-fine-12... https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-refund-advertisers-after-suit-over-fraud-scheme-11558113251 https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-refund-advertisers-af...
TomBombadildoze 7y ago
> This is just the reality of a faceless bureaucracy which isn't accountable to anyone or anything. Please. They're accountable to their one billion plus customers who depend on them to keep as much riff raff as possible out of the app store. They're likewise accountable to the developers who created this market. Apple's process is imperfect. They certainly raise a lot of false negatives. The requirements are sometimes onerous and nebulous. However, the alternative is knowingly peddling hot garbage and harming their customers, partners, third-party developers, and thus, their own business.
- mikepurvis 7y ago
  Sure, but 90% of users just want their email, Facebook, and Netflix. Apart from that, they want a search bar to find other stuff. If you're an app developer targeting that "other stuff" market, Apple has no business reason to care about the individual you or your specific app other than in aggregate.