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CentOS Stream
- tapoxi 7y agoSo this is confusing. Does this mean following a Chrome-ish lifecycle of Fedora > CentOS Stream > RHEL/CentOS? Where do Atomic Host/CoreOS fit in?
- snuxoll 7y agoMore or less what I got as well. This is a welcome change for ISVs and IHVs, and I’m glad to see CentOS have a place in the family beyond “RHEL for people who don’t want to pay for support”.
- mattdm 7y agoRight now, after RHEL branches from Fedora, it's disconnected — basically a fork more than a branch. This provides a public upstream for the RHEL 8.y branches. Atomic Host is being retired. CoreOS has two branches, one which is part of OpenShift (RHCOS) and Fedora CoreOS. That's very different from the RHEL model, so it doesn't directly map.
- CameronNemo 7y agoOriginal CoreOS is also built on Gentoo, not an RPM base.
- mattdm 7y agoSure. That became Container Linux. Now we have Fedora CoreOS, which combines tech and ideas from both Atomic Host and CoreOS/Container Linux. It uses Fedora packages but through rpm-ostree, not with the yum/dnf system you might be used to. Since CentOS Stream and Fedora brances will exist in the same git system, I can see future Fedora CoreOS making use of slower-moving CentOS Stream branches where useful. But that's all to be worked out.
- znpy 7y agoyes, it's nice and everything, but where is CentOS 8.0 ?
- snuxoll 7y agoJust released today, as scheduled.
- LaSombra 7y agohttps://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.1905 https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS8.1905
- znpy 7y agothanks :) I was expecting to see it on the homepage, frankly...
- orpheline 7y agoYeah - weird they haven't updated https://centos.org/ https://centos.org/ with the release announcement yet...
- rleigh 7y agoNo Docker image for the release yet, though, as far as I can see. Anyone know how long it usually takes for it to be made available?
- simias 7y agoI like it, at least in theory. I develop some industrial software that runs on RHEL so being able to run somewhat similar distribution on my machine would be convenient. I tried running CentOS but it was too frustrating and limiting to deal with all the outdated packages on a dev machine. I suppose it will also be good for devs who just like the RHEL environment but don't need a super stable, outdated packages.
- techdevangelist 7y agoAgreed, and I’ve appreciated RH putting in effort like Software Collections to bring more modern versions of tools. The implementation may leave a bit to be desired of SCL packages but it could be worse with 3rd party RPMs.
- lunchables 7y ago>I’ve appreciated RH putting in effort like Software Collections to bring more modern versions of tools Then you are going to love Modularity and Application Streams: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2018/11/15/rhel8-introducing-appstreams/ https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2018/11/15/rhel8-introduc...
- bubblethink 7y ago>CentOS Stream is parallel to existing CentOS builds So why does regular CenOS exist in this day and age given its semi-official status under the RH umbrella ? Why doesn't RH just let people use RHEL without support ? Isn't it a massive waste of everyone's resources to rebuild everything and remove the trademarks? This seems like a more interesting future for CentOS to have as something different from baseline RHEL.
- simias 7y agoI always assumed that it was a marketing decision, RedHat don't want people (especially the corporate type who buy a ton of servers but might not know the small details) to know that "RedHat, but free" is an alternative. Instead we have "wait, but the vendor said that the software ran on RedHat, what's this CentOS thing? Better not take the risk." RedHat is the household name that everybody knows, it probably makes sense to preserve it for the project that actually makes them money. From the perspective of a 3rd party making software targeting RHEL it's simpler as well. I don't want to have to deal with clueless users installing an unsupported OS to run my software and then asking me for support for things like "our CD drive is not supported" or "how can we patch this security vulnerability". I've enough work supporting my software, I don't want to deal with the client's clueless sysadmin on top of it.
- _ph_ 7y agoRed Hat is selling RH to gain their revenue, but they know that they have a limited audience which is willing to pay for their services. The rest of the Linux world expects Linux to be free. So instead of pushing them towards other distributions they keep those in the Red Hat universe by supporting the "free" versions of RH Linux. It also makes it easier for any open source author to test their software on Red Hat, as there is always a free version available.
- rb808 7y agoOracle Java is practically identical to OpenJDK Java too. I'm not sure if its branding or legal, but the big companies like it that way.
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- jeremyjh 7y agoSo if we strip all the market speak out we are just getting a rolling release distribution like Debian testing?
- zokier 7y agoAs far as I can tell it is more rolling than Debian testing because it wouldn't need to be occasionally frozen etc for releases
- zokier 7y agoI wonder what future Fedora will have if this new CentOS Stream will be stable enough for developer daily driver. 6 month release cycle of Fedora always felt awkwardly in-between, not having the stability of lts nor the continuity of rolling. I guess lot depends on details on how the packages flow to CentOS Stream, do they come from released Fedora versions or rawhide etc.
- lunchables 7y ago>6 month release cycle of Fedora always felt awkwardly in-between, not having the stability of lts nor the continuity of rolling I run both Arch and Fedora, and since I think around Fedora 28 I've found that the upgrades are painless enough that it hasn't been much of an issue. The recommendation years ago was to do a full re-install of Fedora (every 6 months!) which was kind of a hassle, but these days its very simple.
- farisjarrah 7y agoWow, a CentOS with a rolling release model. Super cool! I really hope this makes CentOS a bit more competitive with Ubuntu for the hobbiest/project space. Seems like raspbian/debian/ubuntu could use some competition in the space.
- snuxoll 7y agoYou’re thinking more along the lines of Fedora, this probably tracks what Red Hat is aiming for in their regular point releases for RHEL.
- nimbius 7y ago>The CentOS Stream project sits between the Fedora Project and RHEL in the RHEL Development process, providing a "rolling preview" of future RHEL kernels and features. Thats what Fedora was originally for. Fedora advancements were mainlined into RHEL, and RHEL was repackaged as Centos. If i had to propose a theory...At worst, this is "embrace, extend, extinguish." Tacking on a vainglorious service for an already successful project thats siphoning potential customers. Centos cant directly relate their brand to RedHat, but Redhat gets to call their offering "Centos Stream" when Centos is itself a trademark? Its very suspicious. At best, this is Redhat acknowledging that they were absolutely blindsided by Docker, Compose, and Kubernetes in RHEL7. This all existed in EPEL and customers clearly felt preferential to the offerings themselves, while RedHat had to scramble to allocate resources to Openshift, podman, and a potential ground-up fork of Docker itself into Redhat as Swarm was clearly a direct threat. SCL is dated and cludgy. By injecting themselves into Centos, they may put themselves closer to a developer market that theyve historically not been able to tap. Startups and small businesses dont buy IBM/Redhat licenses or support. They also have a chance to react to potential disasters like Docker much faster, albeit seeing as they are a part of the big blue machine now, its hard to imagine this will help in the long run.
- CameronNemo 7y ago>Centos cant directly relate their brand to RedHat, but Redhat gets to call their offering "Centos Stream" when Centos is itself a trademark? Its very suspicious. Sus? Sure. Illegal? Not possible. IBM holds all the trademarks here. They draw the lines where they please.
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- zsoltsandor 7y agoSounds like an interesting option to discover, considering the enterprise professional background of the project.
- nik736 7y agoSo basically the cloud competitor for Ubuntu, since they marketed Fedora wrong all the time.
- awill 7y agoSo who is this for? Blog post says this is for people who want to test stuff before it lands in RHEL. Valuable to enterprise hardware/software companies etc.. But, if it's sort of a rolling RHEL, then this could be excellent for people who trust RHEL and want stability, but more frequent updates (which is exactly why I know lots of people using Debian Testing over Stable).
- AlmostCosmo 7y agoMore info and explanation here from the CentOS team: https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSStream https://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSStream
- traceroute66 7y agoCentOS 8 is a case of too little too late for me. There were so many cobwebs growing on CentOS 7, and no clear timeline ever being given on when (or if !) CentOS8 might ever arrive that we gradually shifted elsewhere.
- simosx 7y ago> – The new CentOS Stream is a rolling-release distro that tracks just ahead of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) development So if someone wanted a free RHEL through CentOS, now CentOS is no longer a free RHEL.CentOS is now RHEL-devel.
- kjeetgill 7y agoCentOS is still the same CentOS. CentOS Stream is "RHEL-devel".
- gigatexal 7y agoSo a modern RHEL but more stable than say bleeding edge fedora? Interesting
- porjo 7y agoIt's curious that RHEL/CentOS 8 is using nftables instead of iptables by default and yet the next release of Fedora will continue to use iptables.