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And?

by Iv 7y ago

And?

StreamBright 7y ago
>> Because they are very quickly becoming the #1 economic power in the world and I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. For one, China has been the #1 economic power in the world longer than any other country. Second, they do not spread their views unlike the Western world. How many interventions the US committed in the last 70 years with the approval of the UN? This is exactly the difference between China vs the Western world. They do not force their views on you. This is why they are much more successful in Africa than any Western country ever will be. It is spelled out in the documentary "The Chinese are coming".
- pizza234 7y ago
  > they do not spread their views unlike the Western world. I'm not sure if with "unlike" you imply that they [China] doesn't do it at all, or not as much as others [US]. In the first case, the argument is wrong. China is using economical leverage to impose its political agenda. See, for example: https://sentinel.tw/norway-one-china-policy https://sentinel.tw/norway-one-china-policy.
  - StreamBright 7y ago
    "The Norwegian government reiterates its commitment to the One China Policy, fully respects China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, attaches high importance to China’s core interests and major concerns, will not support actions that undermine them, and will do its best to avoid any future damage to the bilateral relations." I guess this is what you are referring to. It is called diplomacy. You apply diplomatic pressure on the other party until you reach a resolution. In this case Norway ok with One China. On the other end there is the rule of petro dollar and the US military in case you do not understand that you cannot question it. List of countries severely impacted[1]: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia This is what I meant by the differences between the Western world vs China. Maybe I was too vague. Here is the complete list of countries where the US committed some sort of intervention[2]. This includes shooting down airliner, invading countries without declaring war, financially supporting terrorist, supporting terrorists with arms, and so on. This is what I see the fundamental difference between China and the Western world (more specifically USA), Chinese are not trying to overthrow any government or support any terrorists, they want to do business. As somebody put it nicely: "China's business is business, USA's business is war" 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare 2. https://www.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html https://www.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-...
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- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  If you ware bringing China’s long history into this, China historically has fought many many wars with its neighbors (there is a reason Vietnam is so paranoid of china’s “70 years” of non intervention). China is hardly that successful in Africa yet, it just publicized the success it has had greatly and ignores all the riots and failed funding situations completely.

And?

by Iv 7y ago

And?

>> Because they are very quickly becoming the #1 economic power in the world and I really do not want to see them spreading their views on authoritarianism and citizens control. For one, China has been the #1 economic power in the world longer than any other country. Second, they do not spread their views unlike the Western world. How many interventions the US committed in the last 70 years with the approval of the UN? This is exactly the difference between China vs the Western world. They do not force their views on you. This is why they are much more successful in Africa than any Western country ever will be. It is spelled out in the documentary "The Chinese are coming".

pizza234 7y ago
> they do not spread their views unlike the Western world. I'm not sure if with "unlike" you imply that they [China] doesn't do it at all, or not as much as others [US]. In the first case, the argument is wrong. China is using economical leverage to impose its political agenda. See, for example: https://sentinel.tw/norway-one-china-policy https://sentinel.tw/norway-one-china-policy.
- StreamBright 7y ago
  "The Norwegian government reiterates its commitment to the One China Policy, fully respects China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, attaches high importance to China’s core interests and major concerns, will not support actions that undermine them, and will do its best to avoid any future damage to the bilateral relations." I guess this is what you are referring to. It is called diplomacy. You apply diplomatic pressure on the other party until you reach a resolution. In this case Norway ok with One China. On the other end there is the rule of petro dollar and the US military in case you do not understand that you cannot question it. List of countries severely impacted[1]: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia This is what I meant by the differences between the Western world vs China. Maybe I was too vague. Here is the complete list of countries where the US committed some sort of intervention[2]. This includes shooting down airliner, invading countries without declaring war, financially supporting terrorist, supporting terrorists with arms, and so on. This is what I see the fundamental difference between China and the Western world (more specifically USA), Chinese are not trying to overthrow any government or support any terrorists, they want to do business. As somebody put it nicely: "China's business is business, USA's business is war" 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare 2. https://www.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html https://www.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-...
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seanmcdirmid 7y ago
If you ware bringing China’s long history into this, China historically has fought many many wars with its neighbors (there is a reason Vietnam is so paranoid of china’s “70 years” of non intervention). China is hardly that successful in Africa yet, it just publicized the success it has had greatly and ignores all the riots and failed funding situations completely.