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> 28% of high school students this year said they had used an e-cigarette at least once in the past 30 days Holy smokes! If you look at data from a few years a
by holy_city 7y ago
> 28% of high school students this year said they had used an e-cigarette at least once in the past 30 days
Holy smokes! If you look at data from a few years ago [1] that's more than double what you'd see for cigarette smoking (eyeballing the numbers here, the data is more granular).
Is it easier for kids to get e-cigs than cigarettes? Or do they just want them more?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK294302/table/ch13.t3/?report=objectonly https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK294302/table/ch13.t3/?...
- nullbyte 7y agoJuuls are pervasive in modern day high school. Either you have one or your friend has one. My little sister told me that the bathrooms are basically used vape-stations between classes now, and most people have tried it.
- webkike 7y ago1. They taste better 2. Yes, they are easier to get, for a couple reasons: once you have a juul you only need juul pods, and additionally you don't need to purchase a lighter (which you need to be over eighteen a lot of places to purchase). edit 3. They are far more discreet (you can vape in a classroom if you are in the back and it is dark) and deliver more nicotine.
- ndarwincorn 7y agoNot only easier to get, but so much easier to conceal.
- mifreewil 7y agoHow are purchasing juul pods any different than cigarettes?
- webkike 7y agoyou don't need to purchase a lighter to use them and they last longer.
- lighthazard 7y agoYes.. but they need to source that juul pod somehow - a lighter isn't really an obstacle point for smoking..
- webkike 7y agoIn California when I was a teenager six years ago it certainly was an obstacle.
- lighthazard 7y agoI'm sorry, I meant a lighter isn't an obstacle to smoking. You can use a household stove lighter, a match, a car cigarette thing.. there are lots of opportunities.
- flatline 7y agoAs someone who used to get lighters as a teenager just to have one, without using it to smoke (though in my later teens I smoked), I find this fascinating. Are smaller matchbooks also prohibited? Like others have mentioned, I never had trouble starting a fire as a teenage boy, it's like this inborn survival instinct.
- webkike 7y agoThere is literally zero statute or law preventing the sale of lighters to anyone. That being said, gas station attendants and Walgreens cashiers in the particular area I grew up (which was the bay area) would not sell them to anyone under 18. I have no idea about matches - I couldn't find them.
- holy_city 7y agoWhy is it easier to buy juul pods than a pack of cigarettes? And I'm not aware of any place in the states you need to be over 18 to buy a lighter - and as a former dumbass teenager, I don't think kids have difficulty in figuring out how to light things on fire. Discretion makes sense, but I feel like rationalizing an irrational decision here. Wouldn't it be more discrete not to vape?
- webkike 7y agoI personally remember being a teenager in California trying to buy a lighter to smoke and it was not straightforward. Indeed, I ended up being successful, but I had to use a stove lighter we had lying around my house. Huh? Are you saying that teenagers behave completely rationally? We just wanted to rip our magic flight launch boxes while watching bill nye. It would have been more discrete to sit down and shut up.
- bsder 7y ago> Why is it easier to buy juul pods than a pack of cigarettes? There are non-nicotine pods. And they have all of the social addictiveness even if they don't have actual nicotine in them.
- t-writescode 7y agoif there’s no nicotine, then who cares? Magic the Gathering cards and pogs were addicting back in the day, but kids could still buy them.
- bsder 7y agoMtG doesn't have any health downsides other than possibly being a marker for being too sedentary. Vaping has direct health consequences over "not vaping" even without nicotine. The "safety" of vaping is predicated on being compared to "smoking cigarettes". If a bunch of non-smokers picks up vaping, that calculus evaporates. Consequently, selling vaping to a non-smoking, teenage market should come under extreme scrutiny. In addition, everything about the vaping experience is designed to be addicting. I had a friend who believed exactly as you do until he tried one of the flavored, non-nicotine pods. They have a very strong attraction.
- oarabbus_ 7y agoJust FYI, you're looking for "discreet".
- dehrmann 7y agoI learned about this in math class. Discrete vs. discreet, not vaping in the back of math class.
- webkike 7y agoCongratulations.
- neogodless 7y agoI always think, "the two letter 'e's are discrete from each other, but the two letter 'e's hide away discreetly." Or something like that. It works, I swear!
- paxys 7y agoDefinitely "want them more". Smoking rates have been steadily going down across the board in the US for decades, but now Juul is making it "cool" again, hence the uptick among teens.
- draw_down 7y agoI can see that happening without resorting to crime, though. Which is not to say that Juul didn't break the law, but I would imagine that even if Juul died today, something else would just become the new Juul. I get the feeling that someone "needs to be punished" for this happening, but I'm not quite sure that impulse is totally noble and just.
- Drod718 7y agoIf you look at data from a few years ago you’re missing the full picture. Cigarette smoking by high school students has been on a heavy decline for the past 20 years. Especially in 2012 when it was already looked down on socially.
- guelo 7y agoHere's data that shows vaping has wiped out almost 20 years of reductions in teen smoking. https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_cigarettes_vaping_adolescents.gif https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_...
- koolba 7y agoThat chart is incredible
- blattimwind 7y agoGreat success.
- peter303 7y agoJuul packs here are half the price of tobacco cigarettes for the same amount of nicotine. Only have sales taxes and not tobacco taxes.