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Jesus died on the cross in six hours. Let's see jesus crush a few vertebrae and live disabled for 40 years without pain meds, and then talk about suffering. L

Jesus died on the cross in six hours. Let's see jesus crush a few vertebrae and live disabled for 40 years without pain meds, and then talk about suffering. Like I get it. Religion does help many, and it can take you away from pain, but suffering is real and don't shortchange people's misery who are dealing with it.

sdegutis 7y ago
I'm deeply sorry for your suffering. 40 years is a very long time, and it's not a coincidence that throughout history 40 has been the number representing trial and suffering. Jesus does know what you have gone through. He's not "some religion" but a person. He can help you. He's the only one who can help you.
faissaloo 7y ago
Jesus (PBUH) was never put on the cross, they crucified the wrong guy.
- sdegutis 7y ago
  I am glad to find another religious person here! Think and pray more about Jesus and you will discover that he would not have allowed anyone to take his place, because as he said, "My soul is trouble, but what shall I say, 'Father save me from this hour?' No I tell you, for this purpose I have come to this hour." He would never escape it, and he would not allow anyone to take anyone from it.
  - faissaloo 7y ago
    My worship is directed towards God alone and we were given the Qur'an to clarify these matters among other things, read here if you'd like to understand the Islamic view of the crucifixion: https://quran.com/4/157-167 https://quran.com/4/157-167
    - sdegutis 7y ago
      Thank you friend for that perspective. I have read the Islamic perspective of these matters. We Christians also worship God alone, we have that in common with you. We just believe that Jesus was truly God, while being the Son of God also. This is why king David speaking by the Holy Spirit says "the Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand," calling his descendent Lord. This is the Trinity and we admit it is a great Mystery that we cannot ever fully comprehend. But our belief in this is founded on the Resurrection. How could over so many people, many of them who followed Jesus for 3 years straight, including his own mother, confuse Jesus with someone else? And more to the point, how could Jesus show up to all of these same people, totally over 500 people, with holes in his hands and feet and side, and them still believe he was crucified and yet glorified, if he wasn't both?
tasty_freeze 7y ago
I was going to make a similar comment, so I'll tag on here. Jesus was supposedly crucified for a few hours, which would be terrible, but he also knew what was waiting him, and that he would be remembered and revered. In contrast, my sister suffered through multiple rounds of chemo, then a divorce by a husband who was jealous that she was "getting all the attention". The cancer spread to her brain and spine and lungs, and towards the end even morphine couldn't stop the pain. She had to say goodbye to her sons without knowledge of what was to lie in store for her or them. When she died, she stayed dead, none of this "Tada! I died without the consequences of death" nonsense.
- sdegutis 7y ago
  You assume you know just how much (or how "little") Jesus suffered, based on a physical description. I felt the same way for a few years. But his was physical, spiritual, emotional, mental, all at once, for almost a full day straight, and intensified beyond what you can imagine. He barely showed any typical signs, like screaming out in pain or cursing people, because he is all-powerful, and those come from a lack of power. But there are an abundance of signs that he suffered far more than an ordinary crucifixion, which was already excruciating by today's standards - in fact that's where the word comes from.
  - tasty_freeze 7y ago
    You are absolutely right -- I don't know how much he suffered. But then again, people who claim he suffered unimaginable pain because he accepted the sin of humanity have no idea how much it hurt (if you accept such a thing is possible). This is just typical having it both ways -- he was fully human and fully divine. That isn't some cosmic thing worth pondering -- it is just a contradiction. If you believe he is god and that it was unimaginably painful, then you should also accept as god he has infinite tolerance for pain and so it isn't so impressive.
    - sdegutis 7y ago
      He allowed himself to feel the fullness of that suffering to expiate our just punishments, and to merit for us a portion in his strength to overcome suffering, and so that nobody could ever say "God does not know what it means to suffer like I am."

sdegutis 7y ago

I'm deeply sorry for your suffering. 40 years is a very long time, and it's not a coincidence that throughout history 40 has been the number representing trial and suffering. Jesus does know what you have gone through. He's not "some religion" but a person. He can help you. He's the only one who can help you.

faissaloo 7y ago

Jesus (PBUH) was never put on the cross, they crucified the wrong guy.

sdegutis 7y ago
I am glad to find another religious person here! Think and pray more about Jesus and you will discover that he would not have allowed anyone to take his place, because as he said, "My soul is trouble, but what shall I say, 'Father save me from this hour?' No I tell you, for this purpose I have come to this hour." He would never escape it, and he would not allow anyone to take anyone from it.
- faissaloo 7y ago
  My worship is directed towards God alone and we were given the Qur'an to clarify these matters among other things, read here if you'd like to understand the Islamic view of the crucifixion: https://quran.com/4/157-167 https://quran.com/4/157-167
  - sdegutis 7y ago
    Thank you friend for that perspective. I have read the Islamic perspective of these matters. We Christians also worship God alone, we have that in common with you. We just believe that Jesus was truly God, while being the Son of God also. This is why king David speaking by the Holy Spirit says "the Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand," calling his descendent Lord. This is the Trinity and we admit it is a great Mystery that we cannot ever fully comprehend. But our belief in this is founded on the Resurrection. How could over so many people, many of them who followed Jesus for 3 years straight, including his own mother, confuse Jesus with someone else? And more to the point, how could Jesus show up to all of these same people, totally over 500 people, with holes in his hands and feet and side, and them still believe he was crucified and yet glorified, if he wasn't both?

tasty_freeze 7y ago

I was going to make a similar comment, so I'll tag on here. Jesus was supposedly crucified for a few hours, which would be terrible, but he also knew what was waiting him, and that he would be remembered and revered. In contrast, my sister suffered through multiple rounds of chemo, then a divorce by a husband who was jealous that she was "getting all the attention". The cancer spread to her brain and spine and lungs, and towards the end even morphine couldn't stop the pain. She had to say goodbye to her sons without knowledge of what was to lie in store for her or them. When she died, she stayed dead, none of this "Tada! I died without the consequences of death" nonsense.

sdegutis 7y ago
You assume you know just how much (or how "little") Jesus suffered, based on a physical description. I felt the same way for a few years. But his was physical, spiritual, emotional, mental, all at once, for almost a full day straight, and intensified beyond what you can imagine. He barely showed any typical signs, like screaming out in pain or cursing people, because he is all-powerful, and those come from a lack of power. But there are an abundance of signs that he suffered far more than an ordinary crucifixion, which was already excruciating by today's standards - in fact that's where the word comes from.
- tasty_freeze 7y ago
  You are absolutely right -- I don't know how much he suffered. But then again, people who claim he suffered unimaginable pain because he accepted the sin of humanity have no idea how much it hurt (if you accept such a thing is possible). This is just typical having it both ways -- he was fully human and fully divine. That isn't some cosmic thing worth pondering -- it is just a contradiction. If you believe he is god and that it was unimaginably painful, then you should also accept as god he has infinite tolerance for pain and so it isn't so impressive.
  - sdegutis 7y ago
    He allowed himself to feel the fullness of that suffering to expiate our just punishments, and to merit for us a portion in his strength to overcome suffering, and so that nobody could ever say "God does not know what it means to suffer like I am."