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I'm sure you read the article, which mentions that there were negotiations up to the last minute to raise the last 200mm pounds on top of the 900mm pounds exist

I'm sure you read the article, which mentions that there were negotiations up to the last minute to raise the last 200mm pounds on top of the 900mm pounds existing rescue package.

human20190310 7y ago
In general I think companies have a duty to their shareholders to fight to stay in business until it's literally impossible to do so. As long as there are resources left, those would have to be allocated to preserving the business, rather than to smoothing the process for their customers.
- visarga 7y ago
  In that case the shareholders should be held responsible for leaving people stranded.
  - em500 7y ago
    The whole point of a limited liability company is to shield shareholders from responsibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability#Justification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability#Justificatio...
    - visarga 7y ago
      That's a catch 22. The company has a duty to its shareholders first, and shareholders are protected from responsibility.
- deleted 7y ago
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PhilWright 7y ago
Exactly, they should have stopped flying people out when they were within two weeks of closing. If they had secured the funding needed to continue then all well and good and then start flying people out again.
- irjustin 7y ago
  I think there's a catch 22 here. The instant the airline says "We're no longer accepting bookings because we're working to figure out a cash situation." you've got to believe everyone else who is still booked will pull their ticket for a refund of any form. I would be. There would be a massive outflow of what little available cash exists. The announcement whether early or late is the immediate death knell of the company. I do agree at face value this seems terrible, but I honestly don't see a better course of action given they were waiting for a bailout and then didn't receive it.
  - michaelt 7y ago
    One could imagine a travel company that operated like a financial services firm - if you pay $3000 for a package holiday they put your money in a ringfenced client money account and contract with an airline and hotel to provide the services with payment in arrears. That way if the travel company or airline or hotel goes out of business, the holidaymaker hasn't lost any money (although they might face the cost of buying a last-minute flight from a different airline, or similar) Of course, you could argue consumers who want such peace of mind can already approximate such an arrangement by combining a package holiday with travel insurance.
- greglindahl 7y ago
  Welcome to Hacker News! Lots of startups have gotten to within two weeks of closing, and then didn't close.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    And plenty have insta-shutdown and said “ooops, sorry about all your data. We regret not telling you sooner (not that we would have). Here’s the address of our $350/hr insolvency firm (which will be deducted from any compensation). Good luck!”
    - whenchamenia 7y ago
      If you are lucky you can find out who bought your data to recover and/or destroy for a hefty tag, and wonder if it was copied and sold adittionally...

I'm sure you read the article, which mentions that there were negotiations up to the last minute to raise the last 200mm pounds on top of the 900mm pounds existing rescue package.

human20190310 7y ago

In general I think companies have a duty to their shareholders to fight to stay in business until it's literally impossible to do so. As long as there are resources left, those would have to be allocated to preserving the business, rather than to smoothing the process for their customers.

visarga 7y ago
In that case the shareholders should be held responsible for leaving people stranded.
- em500 7y ago
  The whole point of a limited liability company is to shield shareholders from responsibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability#Justification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability#Justificatio...
  - visarga 7y ago
    That's a catch 22. The company has a duty to its shareholders first, and shareholders are protected from responsibility.
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PhilWright 7y ago

Exactly, they should have stopped flying people out when they were within two weeks of closing. If they had secured the funding needed to continue then all well and good and then start flying people out again.

irjustin 7y ago
I think there's a catch 22 here. The instant the airline says "We're no longer accepting bookings because we're working to figure out a cash situation." you've got to believe everyone else who is still booked will pull their ticket for a refund of any form. I would be. There would be a massive outflow of what little available cash exists. The announcement whether early or late is the immediate death knell of the company. I do agree at face value this seems terrible, but I honestly don't see a better course of action given they were waiting for a bailout and then didn't receive it.
- michaelt 7y ago
  One could imagine a travel company that operated like a financial services firm - if you pay $3000 for a package holiday they put your money in a ringfenced client money account and contract with an airline and hotel to provide the services with payment in arrears. That way if the travel company or airline or hotel goes out of business, the holidaymaker hasn't lost any money (although they might face the cost of buying a last-minute flight from a different airline, or similar) Of course, you could argue consumers who want such peace of mind can already approximate such an arrangement by combining a package holiday with travel insurance.
greglindahl 7y ago
Welcome to Hacker News! Lots of startups have gotten to within two weeks of closing, and then didn't close.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  And plenty have insta-shutdown and said “ooops, sorry about all your data. We regret not telling you sooner (not that we would have). Here’s the address of our $350/hr insolvency firm (which will be deducted from any compensation). Good luck!”
  - whenchamenia 7y ago
    If you are lucky you can find out who bought your data to recover and/or destroy for a hefty tag, and wonder if it was copied and sold adittionally...