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> This is how you create terrorists. Um no, you are wrong. _What USA does_ is terrorism. When you drop bombs on people out of nowhere, that's called terrorism
by alpb 7y ago
> This is how you create terrorists.
Um no, you are wrong.
_What USA does_ is terrorism. When you drop bombs on people out of nowhere, that's called terrorism. Sorry if you're an American but you've got some learning to do about the biggest terrorist organization in the world before calling others a terrorist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U
- kmlx 7y ago> A U.S. drone strike intended to hit an Islamic State (IS) Then what does the IS represent to you? The good guys?
- bananocurrency 7y agoah yes. the perfect centrist. if you aren't black vs white, why are you playing chess?
- V3ritas1337 7y agoAristotelian logic is flawed.
- igravious 7y agoOnly in some situations. In a lot of situations it works as intended. The crucial point is being able to distinguish when it applies and when it doesn't.
- mapcars 7y agoThis is not a small thing, it easily steers your life only to where it works. In other words your life becomes a slave of your limited logic, it makes you optimize your life for the logic to be a safe and working.
- marliechiller 7y agobit of a flawed response really. i cant think of many subject matters that are more nuanced than middle-eastern affairs. almost nothing is black and white in this area
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- raneraiskari69 7y agoNice leftist faggotry, but intention is what makes terrorist/terrorism not accident.
- illuminati1911 7y agoUm no, you are wrong. "A U.S. drone strike intended to hit an Islamic State (IS) hideout"
- dabeeeenster 7y agoOh ok sorry, that's fine then.
- alpb 7y agoAnd the Islamic State is finished with this strike? I urge you to take a closer look at U.S. drone strike programs and how effective they are. It's closer to 0 than it is to 100%. The U.S. takes no responsibility for its actions in the world stage, like ever. Have you even seen US held accountable for anything?
- saiya-jin 7y agoYeah if US wasn't so hell-bent to be excluded from International Court of Justice in Hague, we would see quite a few US servicemen (and mercenaries from companies like Blackwater), err sorry 'patriots' being tried there and getting long/life sentences. But that ain't gonna happen, ever.
- yakshaving_jgt 7y ago> When you drop bombs on people out of nowhere, that's called terrorism Only if the motive for dropping those bombs is to advance a political/ideological agenda. We need to be very clear that "terrorism" has a very specific meaning. It's not just a group or individual who terrorises.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoThis definition only reinforces the parent's point. What it rules out as "not terrorism" is regular organized crime, which isn't too much into bombings anyway. Bombs are almost never used without a political/ideological agenda, because they're too expensive and require too much coordination to make, maintain and deploy.
- yakshaving_jgt 7y agoBy that logic, you could describe WWII as just a bunch of terrorists who disagreed. Which of course, nobody does.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoExcept that to some extent, they do. When my country was occupied by the Nazi Germany, people who fought back were called freedom fighters by us. They were called terrorists by the Nazis.
- yakshaving_jgt 7y agoSure, but I don't think that extent is useful for the purposes of this discussion. FWIW, you and I are likely from the same country.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoMy point being, one country's terrorist is another country's freedom fighter. There is some nuance here, but we're talking about somewhat random and indiscriminate murder of civilians who may or may not be connected to a military group in hopes people at large will stop supporting that group. There's a political agenda in there, and there's death of innocent civilians. There's strong element of fear too - I remember reading articles about drone strikes in Pakistan years ago, in which it was reported that the locals developed a fear of clear blue sky. A fear of good weather, because that's when drones come. If one objects to calling it terrorism because they're really trying to hit the combatants only, and objects to calling it a war crime because technically there's no war with an internationally recognized nation state, then how should we call it?
- King-Aaron 7y agoThis is such an inane counter-argument.
- robert_foss 7y agoIs it really? You're fighting by instilling fear in the enemy and mostly killing civilians. But also, the US should be held accountable for its actions.
- otikik 7y agoI ... kind of see the point. Do you have a more substantial counter argument?
- whiddershins 7y agoJust stop. Absolutely stop equating these things. The world as we know it, the progress in art, science, and humanities. The cures for polio, infant mortality and poverty dropping. The website you are currently using to spread poison. Those are all “_What USA does_” Cut it out with this evil language.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoGood you mention cures for polio. The US does both cures for polio and ensuring polio exists and spreads, by virtue of CIA pretending to be agents of vaccination charities, which killed polio eradication efforts in some places. Point being, the US does a lot of things. Some good, some bad. You don't get to trade the good things for the bad things. There could be progress in art, science and humanities without indiscriminate drone bombings of innocent civilians worldwide.
- soVeryTired 7y agoI mean - the US can simultaneously do very good things and very bad things.
- icebraining 7y agoI don't see how that prevents an organization from doing terrorist actions. In fact, it's fairly common, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_social_services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_social_services
- brosinante 7y agoHow dare people criticize the U.S. They certainly created art, science and the humanities, not to mention put them in books to civilize all those shithole countries? I was not aware that curing polio is a global absolution of sins.
- alpb 7y agoI think the downvotes you got speak for itself. I am not even gonna bother answering. Also USA has some of the highest infant mortality and poverty rates in the western world.
- lopmotr 7y agoIt sounds like you judge people by the consequences of their actions rather than their intentions. I tend to agree with that way of thinking but many people do the opposite and believe intentions are the morally superior way of judging good and bad. The trouble with judging by actions is it makes everybody bad, including the judge! I suspect that's why people don't like it. Since nearly everyone believes their own intentions are good, judging by intentions preserves their own sense of goodness even if they contribute to a few killings by accident/negligence.
- latch 7y agoWhen it comes to this, taking intent on faith isn't good enough. Vietnam, a possible war of aggression in Iraq, illegal drone strikes in Pakistan, public threats and shows of force - the stick isn't subtle and I think it's fair to question whether it's measured (and what it means if it isn't). I actually think I'm right of center on this issue in general, I just wish we called it as it is.
- igravious 7y agoThat's a fine and dandy distinction until it's not. If you keep punching me in the face while claiming it was your intention to punch someone else I'm going to come to the conclusion sooner rather than later that you're lying or stupid or incompetent – either way I'm going to do something about it rather than continue to let you punch me in the face. Is it too much to ask that a lot more effort be expended in not mowing down innocent civilians while prosecuting the so-called global-war-on-terror?
- misja 7y agoEven if the USA's intentions were good, they can be blamed for choosing the wrong kind of action. It is well known that drone strikes are terribly inaccurate and therefore the risk for civilian casualties is high.
- igravious 7y agoSplitting hairs. This is how the cycle of violence is perpetuated. Better?