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I understand just fine, it just sounds like software is too hard for some folks, and while that's okay, but there are those of us who aren't burned out by doing

I understand just fine, it just sounds like software is too hard for some folks, and while that's okay, but there are those of us who aren't burned out by doing our jobs.

Falling3 7y ago
Since many of us have vastly different jobs in practice (no matter similar in principle), your continued insistence that people being burnt out by their jobs means that software is too hard for them is obnoxious and blatantly untrue.
- diminoten 7y ago
  Except I didn't say that. I said that if maintaining software burns you out, then maybe software is too hard for you. So the only blatantly untrue and obnoxious comments right now are yours. Seems like this might be hitting too close to home!
  - loco5niner 7y ago
    Do you not enjoy greenfield projects? Many programmers prefer them. If you never get to do greenfield projects all the time and are instead stuck doing maintenance, that doesn't sound like a lot of fun right? Maybe you are someone who enjoys maintenance. Glad you've found your niche. But don't insult people who are good at what they do, but don't enjoy the parts they don't enjoy.
    - diminoten 7y ago
      The attitude you're presenting is a huge problem in software development, and I firmly stand by what I've been saying -- if you're unwilling or do not like maintaining software, get the hell out of the industry. A developer without a mind for writing maintainable code is a bane to the existence of everyone who works with him/her, and a developer who constantly builds new projects and does not have to stick around to keep them running will never grow that mind.
      - loco5niner 7y ago
        Oddly enough, I mostly work on maintenance and enjoy it. But I do know people who PREFER to work on greenfield. If my attitude was one sided, it's because I was responding to your comment in kind.
Supermancho 7y ago
You actually said 2 things. I thought your first point was perfectly reasonable, as you misinterpreted it. > Whats with companies constantly throwing people in the trenches and forcing them to be in constant maintanence mode all the time? > Because companies like to make money, and they can't make money when systems fail. The second issue you raised is a nonsequitor, because you clearly misconstrued the initial point. Your refusal to acknowledge there was a different interpretation, pretending you meant something nonsensical on purpose, has compounded the optics. GL with that.
- diminoten 7y ago
  There's so much wrong with what you've written here, are you okay? Did you mean to reply to a different comment, maybe?

I understand just fine, it just sounds like software is too hard for some folks, and while that's okay, but there are those of us who aren't burned out by doing our jobs.

Falling3 7y ago

Since many of us have vastly different jobs in practice (no matter similar in principle), your continued insistence that people being burnt out by their jobs means that software is too hard for them is obnoxious and blatantly untrue.

diminoten 7y ago
Except I didn't say that. I said that if maintaining software burns you out, then maybe software is too hard for you. So the only blatantly untrue and obnoxious comments right now are yours. Seems like this might be hitting too close to home!
- loco5niner 7y ago
  Do you not enjoy greenfield projects? Many programmers prefer them. If you never get to do greenfield projects all the time and are instead stuck doing maintenance, that doesn't sound like a lot of fun right? Maybe you are someone who enjoys maintenance. Glad you've found your niche. But don't insult people who are good at what they do, but don't enjoy the parts they don't enjoy.
  - diminoten 7y ago
    The attitude you're presenting is a huge problem in software development, and I firmly stand by what I've been saying -- if you're unwilling or do not like maintaining software, get the hell out of the industry. A developer without a mind for writing maintainable code is a bane to the existence of everyone who works with him/her, and a developer who constantly builds new projects and does not have to stick around to keep them running will never grow that mind.
    - loco5niner 7y ago
      Oddly enough, I mostly work on maintenance and enjoy it. But I do know people who PREFER to work on greenfield. If my attitude was one sided, it's because I was responding to your comment in kind.

Supermancho 7y ago

You actually said 2 things. I thought your first point was perfectly reasonable, as you misinterpreted it. > Whats with companies constantly throwing people in the trenches and forcing them to be in constant maintanence mode all the time? > Because companies like to make money, and they can't make money when systems fail. The second issue you raised is a nonsequitor, because you clearly misconstrued the initial point. Your refusal to acknowledge there was a different interpretation, pretending you meant something nonsensical on purpose, has compounded the optics. GL with that.

diminoten 7y ago
There's so much wrong with what you've written here, are you okay? Did you mean to reply to a different comment, maybe?