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Before people here start offering ideas of what they think these objects are, let review what we know they are not: They are not balloons: -they move too fast

Before people here start offering ideas of what they think these objects are, let review what we know they are not: They are not balloons: -they move too fast and travel under water (as there were confirmed sonar hits of these objects). They are not conventional aircraft: -they have no wings or signs of obvious conventional propulsion. They were not false radar blips: -they were tracked on advance gun sight cameras including in both the infrared and high definition video modes. They were not camera software malfunctions -Because they were tracked on Navy ship radar, Sonar, Space based radar, and jet fighter radar. These objects can do maneuvers that can’t be explain by our conventional physics because they defy our common understanding of inertia. This includes accelerating at extreme speeds, stopping on a dime, and changing directions instantaneously. The real truth is the US government (and others) do know, and have known for decades, that these craft are extra terrestrial. In addition the US government has recovered and possible reverse engineered some of the technology behind them. This secret they believe is too large to let go of due to multiple military, social, economic and religious implications, none the less, it’s our responsibility to hold them to account and demand they tell the truth! Way too much is at stake to keep this all hidden any longer, it’s time for full UFO disclosure.

dewclaw 7y ago
At paragraph number four, you just go off the rails and blow a gasket. Especially the part about: religious implications The government is not at all concerned about religious implications. The hydrogen bomb's invention and test programs makes that very clear. The A in UFO is for Aliens.
pippy 7y ago
> that these craft are extra terrestrial. I'd say it's more likely there are other intelligent earthbound beings rather than from outer space. It's called the Silurian hypothesis. There have been several extinction events here on earth which mirror our current one caused by humans. Evidence of us on earth disappears surprisingly quickly: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-astrobiology/article/silurian-hypothesis-would-it-be-possible-to-detect-an-industrial-civilization-in-the-geological-record/77818514AA6907750B8F4339F7C70EC6/core-reader https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journa...
- RealityVoid 7y ago
  That is a very interesting paper and I only read about half of it, but so far it looks like is says that we will definitely leave a signature on a multi-million year timescale and while it explores the possibility of the Silurian hypothesis, it says that it's unlikely, but lays out some possible markers if it were true. I think it's a good paper, but one that says the opposite of what you believe. Also, this paper explores markers of human-like civilizations on million year timescales. It would not touch in any way their continued existance, that is inferred in your comment.
bobbylarrybobby 7y ago
Which is more likely: aliens have arrived on Earth with extraterrestrial vehicles from (likely) light years away, and have allowed themselves to be spotted by terrestrial aircraft; or, militaries with huge budgets and some of the smartest scientists and engineers in the world have designed incredible vehicles that have been kept secret even from members of their own military?
- aalleavitch 7y ago
  While the latter is more likely given that our governments have done exactly this in the past, there are some reasons to believe that if aliens were to warm up to the idea of contacting us, it might be pretty soon. We have global communication networks now and are rapidly approaching AGI. For all we know we could be on the verge of a critical inflection point for our civilization that might make it worthwhile to interfere. Also, the idea that we've been under quarantine up until now is a pretty compelling explanation for the Fermi paradox.
  - dmitrygr 7y ago
    > rapidly approaching AGI We are as far away from that as we were when we were banging rocks together in caves, IMHO
  - all_usernames 7y ago
    > For all we know And, we do know we're about to hit a point of no return in terms of climate and the viability of the civilization.
- felixchan 7y ago
  What about crafts that were sighted doing the same maneuvers in the 1940s and 50s? The obvious answer to your question is "latter", but the obviousness deteriorates as you look into historic occurrences.
  - aalleavitch 7y ago
    Are we sure that previous sightings are related to modern sightings? If they are then they went up massively in frequency based on reports from pilots, though that might make sense simply due to improvements in our technology.
garaetjjte 7y ago
>Because they were tracked on Navy ship radar, Sonar, Space based radar, and jet fighter radar. But these systems weren't totally independent: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19829428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19829428
quotz 7y ago
Wheres my aluminum hat?
gdubs 7y ago
Any sources to back up all those claims? Because as much as I want to believe — this reads like something Fox Mulder would say.

dewclaw 7y ago

At paragraph number four, you just go off the rails and blow a gasket. Especially the part about: religious implications The government is not at all concerned about religious implications. The hydrogen bomb's invention and test programs makes that very clear. The A in UFO is for Aliens.

pippy 7y ago

> that these craft are extra terrestrial. I'd say it's more likely there are other intelligent earthbound beings rather than from outer space. It's called the Silurian hypothesis. There have been several extinction events here on earth which mirror our current one caused by humans. Evidence of us on earth disappears surprisingly quickly: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-astrobiology/article/silurian-hypothesis-would-it-be-possible-to-detect-an-industrial-civilization-in-the-geological-record/77818514AA6907750B8F4339F7C70EC6/core-reader https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journa...

RealityVoid 7y ago
That is a very interesting paper and I only read about half of it, but so far it looks like is says that we will definitely leave a signature on a multi-million year timescale and while it explores the possibility of the Silurian hypothesis, it says that it's unlikely, but lays out some possible markers if it were true. I think it's a good paper, but one that says the opposite of what you believe. Also, this paper explores markers of human-like civilizations on million year timescales. It would not touch in any way their continued existance, that is inferred in your comment.

bobbylarrybobby 7y ago

Which is more likely: aliens have arrived on Earth with extraterrestrial vehicles from (likely) light years away, and have allowed themselves to be spotted by terrestrial aircraft; or, militaries with huge budgets and some of the smartest scientists and engineers in the world have designed incredible vehicles that have been kept secret even from members of their own military?

aalleavitch 7y ago
While the latter is more likely given that our governments have done exactly this in the past, there are some reasons to believe that if aliens were to warm up to the idea of contacting us, it might be pretty soon. We have global communication networks now and are rapidly approaching AGI. For all we know we could be on the verge of a critical inflection point for our civilization that might make it worthwhile to interfere. Also, the idea that we've been under quarantine up until now is a pretty compelling explanation for the Fermi paradox.
- dmitrygr 7y ago
  > rapidly approaching AGI We are as far away from that as we were when we were banging rocks together in caves, IMHO
- all_usernames 7y ago
  > For all we know And, we do know we're about to hit a point of no return in terms of climate and the viability of the civilization.
felixchan 7y ago
What about crafts that were sighted doing the same maneuvers in the 1940s and 50s? The obvious answer to your question is "latter", but the obviousness deteriorates as you look into historic occurrences.
- aalleavitch 7y ago
  Are we sure that previous sightings are related to modern sightings? If they are then they went up massively in frequency based on reports from pilots, though that might make sense simply due to improvements in our technology.

garaetjjte 7y ago

>Because they were tracked on Navy ship radar, Sonar, Space based radar, and jet fighter radar. But these systems weren't totally independent: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19829428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19829428

quotz 7y ago

Wheres my aluminum hat?

gdubs 7y ago

Any sources to back up all those claims? Because as much as I want to believe — this reads like something Fox Mulder would say.