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Those who dont will have a cheaper car. This will either please investors (more profit) or help beat the competition in sales.
by maerF0x0 7y ago
Those who dont will have a cheaper car. This will either please investors (more profit) or help beat the competition in sales.
- bryanlarsen 7y agoIt takes a lot more than 16 months to design a car.
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- post_break 7y agoIt takes a month to put together a software patch to limit the amount of regens a diesel engine has to do, or how much DEF it sprays into the exhaust. Suddenly the big three could have diesel trucks that perform 10% better on fuel economy because California isn't forcing EGR crap down their throats.
- kstrauser 7y agoBy EGR, you mean the technology that keeps California's air breathable. Yeah, it's more expensive to do business here, because we want to be able to, you know, not die from air pollution.
- maerF0x0 7y agoTexas is 2nd largest population and doesnt have CARB. I'd guess wildfire emissions(smoke) are several orders of magnitude more dangerous than vehicles.
- kstrauser 7y agoYou mean Texas, that relatively flat, famously windy state where pollution can easily blow away, and yet still has some of the most polluted cities (https://www.click2houston.com/health/report-ranks-houston-among-most-polluted-us-cities https://www.click2houston.com/health/report-ranks-houston-am...)? It sounds like they could stand to have a CARB of their own. > I'd guess wildfire emissions(smoke) are several orders of magnitude more dangerous than vehicles. I can't take this seriously.
- masonic 7y agoVery little of "cleaner air" effect stens from the presence of EGR.
- nradov 7y agoDiesel particulate emissions are a proven killer with a direct, immediate risk to human health. Even low-sulfur fuel and DEF doesn't really solve the problem. I would prefer to see CARB phase in a gradual ban on almost all diesel engines. We can meet transportation needs (including cargo) with a mix of gasoline, natural gas, and battery electric vehicles. (There are a few limited cases such as medium sized marine engines where diesel is the only safe and practical option.)
- SECProto 7y ago> Suddenly the big three could have diesel trucks that perform 10% better on fuel economy because California isn't forcing EGR crap down their throats. I can't find any definitive evidence that exhaust gas recirculation reduces fuel economy, though a sourced statement on wikipedia says there was a 3% drop in fuel economy when EGR was first introduced. Quora[1] also doesn't mention anything about EGR lowering fuel economy. Regardless, environmental regulations are done for a reason. Reducing NOx is a very good thing. [1] https://www.quora.com/Does-the-exhaust-gas-recirculation-system-increase-or-decrease-fuel-economy https://www.quora.com/Does-the-exhaust-gas-recirculation-sys...
- webkike 7y agoA cheaper car to buy, not a cheaper car to own
- flyingfences 7y agoFewer/simpler emissions systems would mean cheaper maintenance, no?
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoMore or less. That's exactly why we're seeing a resurgence of big gas engines for medium trucks. Diesel has become less competitive for a lot of use cases due to increased emissions related maintenance (whereas they basically didn't have any emissions system 15yr ago).
- Rebelgecko 7y agoHow much? I've never had to repair anything related to the emissions of a car I own. The only difference I can think of is that some cars have a separate California-legal version of the catalytic converter than costs an extra $100 or so.
- maerF0x0 7y agoThat's either because 1) you didnt have emissions testing where you are or 2) you didnt have a 15+ year old car. It can be a real burden on the lowest end consumer (often the poor) to deal with regulations around vehicles because they're often barely keeping something running.
- webkike 7y agoUsually cars meet emissions standards by increasing their MPG, so you'd pay less for gas.
- DuskStar 7y agoDieselgate was manufacturers meeting performance and MPG figures at the expense of increased pollution. A lot of pollution does not trend directly with CO2.