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All zoos are like that and incredibly sad from the inside even if they look fine to the guests. The only ones that have a moral leg to stand on are the rehabili

All zoos are like that and incredibly sad from the inside even if they look fine to the guests. The only ones that have a moral leg to stand on are the rehabilitation ones that use proceeds to help the animals, but it's still a very wishy washy thing to be running an animal prison for profit.

nradov 7y ago
Almost all zoos in the US are non-profit.
- mcv 7y ago
  I wish they did the same for human prisons.
  - chaostheory 7y ago
    Only 8.4% of prisons in the US are private and for profit.
    - idoubtit 7y ago
      I suspect that figure is wrong, because the Bureau of Justice Statistics does not publish the rate on prisons but on prisoners. "As of 2016, 8.5% of the prisoners are in private for-profit prisons. Since 2000, the number of people in private prisons has increased 47%, compared to an overall rise in the prison population of 9%." Source: https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-priso... So, if the annual increase rate has not change since 2016, as of 2019 about 9.3% of the prisoners are in for-profit jails. [edit: computed the rate, it is not "more than 10%"]
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KineticLensman 7y ago
Yes. I support a local non-profit ape rescue centre. The vast majority of their primates were rescued from the pet trade, medical research, beach photographer props, circuses. Some have disease (e.g. rickets) / deformities from poor diet in their pre-rescue lives, while others lack social or survival skills. Some have physical injuries, e.g. from their teeth being knocked out by their previous owners. These factors mean that a return to the wild is rarely possible (assuming the original environment still exists). The staff are passionate about looking after these primates and do not see the centre as a moral issue. The fact that the animals need to be rescued in the first place is the real moral issue. Interestingly, the centre's worse reviewers are those who expect a zoo run for the visitors benefit, and who complain about the ‘untidy’ enclosures (i.e. good climbable trees that make it hard to see any action) or the fact that a given primate might have chosen to sit quietly in a sunny area where it has good privacy, rather than perform on demand.

nradov 7y ago

Almost all zoos in the US are non-profit.

mcv 7y ago
I wish they did the same for human prisons.
- chaostheory 7y ago
  Only 8.4% of prisons in the US are private and for profit.
  - idoubtit 7y ago
    I suspect that figure is wrong, because the Bureau of Justice Statistics does not publish the rate on prisons but on prisoners. "As of 2016, 8.5% of the prisoners are in private for-profit prisons. Since 2000, the number of people in private prisons has increased 47%, compared to an overall rise in the prison population of 9%." Source: https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-prisons-united-states/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/private-priso... So, if the annual increase rate has not change since 2016, as of 2019 about 9.3% of the prisoners are in for-profit jails. [edit: computed the rate, it is not "more than 10%"]
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KineticLensman 7y ago

Yes. I support a local non-profit ape rescue centre. The vast majority of their primates were rescued from the pet trade, medical research, beach photographer props, circuses. Some have disease (e.g. rickets) / deformities from poor diet in their pre-rescue lives, while others lack social or survival skills. Some have physical injuries, e.g. from their teeth being knocked out by their previous owners. These factors mean that a return to the wild is rarely possible (assuming the original environment still exists). The staff are passionate about looking after these primates and do not see the centre as a moral issue. The fact that the animals need to be rescued in the first place is the real moral issue. Interestingly, the centre's worse reviewers are those who expect a zoo run for the visitors benefit, and who complain about the ‘untidy’ enclosures (i.e. good climbable trees that make it hard to see any action) or the fact that a given primate might have chosen to sit quietly in a sunny area where it has good privacy, rather than perform on demand.