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Alternatively, the 2 14 year olds can’t consent to the act, but are also not liable for the act? I think this way of describing it expresses more the position

by drdeca 7y ago

Alternatively, the 2 14 year olds can’t consent to the act, but are also not liable for the act? I think this way of describing it expresses more the position that the occurrence is unfortunate, and all else being equal, best avoided. To say “two 14 year olds had entirely consensual sex with eachother” seems to possibly express that the occurrence described is not unfortunate. Also, If a 12yo and a 15.5 yo did, I think we very well might say that the 15.5 yo committed rape, even though neither person was an adult, Yet if both were 12, people wouldn’t call it that. So, I don’t think it is only if one party is an adult. Also if one party is substantially closer to being an adult.

footwo 7y ago
> To say “two 14 year olds had entirely consensual sex with eachother” seems to possibly express that the occurrence described is not unfortunate. Isn't that just a misreading though? You're applying a connotation that isn't there. Many of us don't associate "consensual" with "A-ok" (e.g. I'm anti-pornography).
- drdeca 7y ago
  Good point. Though, I didn’t mean to say that there was a clear connotation, just, like, a possible/weak one. Maybe the insertion of the word “entirely” is what creates the weak connotation? And that word wasn’t used in the comment I was replying to, so my comment is probably moot.
seanmcdirmid 7y ago
Except it is also possible for a 14 year old to actually rape another 14 year old, so there is a difference between “cannot consent” and “did not consent” if you believe a 14 year old actually cannot consent.
- drdeca 7y ago
  This is also a good point. Though the topic is beginning to cause me more discomfort than it was. Guess I wore through my “discuss uncomfortable topics without feeling uncomfortable” reserves. Edit: That isn’t a complaint about what anyone else is doing though. I am merely noting my own limitations, and no one needs to do anything to accommodate them in this instance. Continue on as if I hadn’t mentioned them?

by drdeca 7y ago

footwo 7y ago

> To say “two 14 year olds had entirely consensual sex with eachother” seems to possibly express that the occurrence described is not unfortunate. Isn't that just a misreading though? You're applying a connotation that isn't there. Many of us don't associate "consensual" with "A-ok" (e.g. I'm anti-pornography).

drdeca 7y ago
Good point. Though, I didn’t mean to say that there was a clear connotation, just, like, a possible/weak one. Maybe the insertion of the word “entirely” is what creates the weak connotation? And that word wasn’t used in the comment I was replying to, so my comment is probably moot.

seanmcdirmid 7y ago

Except it is also possible for a 14 year old to actually rape another 14 year old, so there is a difference between “cannot consent” and “did not consent” if you believe a 14 year old actually cannot consent.

drdeca 7y ago
This is also a good point. Though the topic is beginning to cause me more discomfort than it was. Guess I wore through my “discuss uncomfortable topics without feeling uncomfortable” reserves. Edit: That isn’t a complaint about what anyone else is doing though. I am merely noting my own limitations, and no one needs to do anything to accommodate them in this instance. Continue on as if I hadn’t mentioned them?