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Ok, but then by that logic, Mexican and Canadian companies should count to the USA total. After all, the US is their largest export market and the USA frequentl

Ok, but then by that logic, Mexican and Canadian companies should count to the USA total. After all, the US is their largest export market and the USA frequently puts diplomatic and economic pressures on her neighbours.

Barrin92 7y ago
Under the one-china-policy endorsed by the United States Taiwan is not a sovereign state, in contrast to Mexico and Canada, with the recognition of Taiwan steadily falling. This is a strange comparison.
- adventured 7y ago
  > Under the one-china-policy endorsed by the United States Taiwan is not a sovereign state That's incorrect. The US does not endorse that Taiwan is owned by China and that there is only one China (which includes Taiwan), in the terms that China recognizes it. The US policy is to recognize China's position, and that is all it represents. If your premise were correct, the US would not be selling military weapons to Taiwan to defense itself from China. This explains it moderately well: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38285354 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38285354 > What is the 'One China' policy? > It is the diplomatic acknowledgement of China's position that there is only one Chinese government. Under the policy, the US recognises and has formal ties with China rather than the island of Taiwan, which China sees as a breakaway province to be reunified with the mainland one day. > The One China policy is a key cornerstone of Sino-US relations. It is also a fundamental bedrock of Chinese policy-making and diplomacy. However, it is distinct from the One China principle, whereby China insists Taiwan is an inalienable part of one China to be reunified one day. > The US policy is not an endorsement of Beijing's position and indeed as part of the policy, Washington maintains a "robust unofficial" relationship with Taiwan, including continued arms sales to the island so that it can defend itself.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    This gets into nuanced territory where words fail. When the US sells arms to a rebel group, does that mean the US recognizes that the rebels are a sovereign state, or a a sovereign non-state military entity, or what? At the end of the day, legal structures are convenient fictions with no mother nature or computer compiler to check the logic for consistency or completeness.
    - goblin89 7y ago
      > At the end of the day, legal structures are convenient fictions Exactly. Most countries have relations with Taiwan, and they only keep their stances ambiguous to not lose business with PRC. Fun example is Nauru, which accepted $130 million from PRC to abandon relations with ROC, and then a couple years later promptly did a 180-degree turn and stood with ROC again.
  - rangibaby 7y ago
    “there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China” Remember that there are two sovereign states that call themselves China
- ForHackernews 7y ago
  It's not a strange comparison, it's simply applying the parent comment's standards: > The relationship and interdependence of the two is very complicated. [The US] is one of the largest market to which [Canada] exports their goods (and in large part, the culture) and [the USA] has used this to pressure [Canada] in the past.
- deleted 7y ago
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- rangibaby 7y ago
  That’s misrepresenting the US position “The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China.”

Barrin92 7y ago

Under the one-china-policy endorsed by the United States Taiwan is not a sovereign state, in contrast to Mexico and Canada, with the recognition of Taiwan steadily falling. This is a strange comparison.

adventured 7y ago
> Under the one-china-policy endorsed by the United States Taiwan is not a sovereign state That's incorrect. The US does not endorse that Taiwan is owned by China and that there is only one China (which includes Taiwan), in the terms that China recognizes it. The US policy is to recognize China's position, and that is all it represents. If your premise were correct, the US would not be selling military weapons to Taiwan to defense itself from China. This explains it moderately well: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38285354 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38285354 > What is the 'One China' policy? > It is the diplomatic acknowledgement of China's position that there is only one Chinese government. Under the policy, the US recognises and has formal ties with China rather than the island of Taiwan, which China sees as a breakaway province to be reunified with the mainland one day. > The One China policy is a key cornerstone of Sino-US relations. It is also a fundamental bedrock of Chinese policy-making and diplomacy. However, it is distinct from the One China principle, whereby China insists Taiwan is an inalienable part of one China to be reunified one day. > The US policy is not an endorsement of Beijing's position and indeed as part of the policy, Washington maintains a "robust unofficial" relationship with Taiwan, including continued arms sales to the island so that it can defend itself.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  This gets into nuanced territory where words fail. When the US sells arms to a rebel group, does that mean the US recognizes that the rebels are a sovereign state, or a a sovereign non-state military entity, or what? At the end of the day, legal structures are convenient fictions with no mother nature or computer compiler to check the logic for consistency or completeness.
  - goblin89 7y ago
    > At the end of the day, legal structures are convenient fictions Exactly. Most countries have relations with Taiwan, and they only keep their stances ambiguous to not lose business with PRC. Fun example is Nauru, which accepted $130 million from PRC to abandon relations with ROC, and then a couple years later promptly did a 180-degree turn and stood with ROC again.
- rangibaby 7y ago
  “there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China” Remember that there are two sovereign states that call themselves China
ForHackernews 7y ago
It's not a strange comparison, it's simply applying the parent comment's standards: > The relationship and interdependence of the two is very complicated. [The US] is one of the largest market to which [Canada] exports their goods (and in large part, the culture) and [the USA] has used this to pressure [Canada] in the past.
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rangibaby 7y ago
That’s misrepresenting the US position “The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China.”