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Carnegie Mellon CS Professor challenges Sony by mirroring Geohot's PS3 hacks
- tibbon 16y agoI do wish there was someone with Sony's PoV here to try to explain to us their rationale and how they hope to actually win this battle overall- as they can't really imagine that they can make the information go away with lawsuits.
- elliottcarlson 16y agoThis just seems like another test of the anti-circumvention provision in the DCMA. Unlike the XBox modding trial that was dismissed [1], this case actually has nothing to do with piracy, as geohot made it a point not to add in piracy enabling features. [1] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/crippen-dismissed/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/crippen-dismissed/
- elliottcarlson 16y agoAdditionally, Team fail0verflow's github is also mirrored: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/GeoHot/mirror/ps3publictools.git/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/GeoHot/mirror/ps3publictools.git/
- tibbon 16y agoDid Github remove the code at the request of Sony? While I realize they don't want to get embroiled in a legal battle, I find it unfortunate as well.
- ramidarigaz 16y agoLooks like it's still there: https://github.com/geohot/ps3publictools https://github.com/geohot/ps3publictools
- jdp23 16y agoAbout a decade ago, David Touretsky (the professor behind this) hosted a "gallery" of versions for the DeCSS decryption software.
- bravura 16y agoProf. Touretzky reminds Sony's lawyers of this, in the linked article: "Note to Sony lawyers: no doubt you're eager to rack up another billable hour by sending legal threats to me and my university. Before you go down that unhappy road, check out what happened the last time a large corporation tried to stop the mirroring of technical information here: The Gallery of CSS Descramblers (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery). Have you learned anything in ten years?"
- aothman 16y agoTouretzky is also one of scientology's biggest online critics: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/ I believe CMU's lawyers are well-acquainted with responding to legal threats against him.
- blantonl 16y agoCMU's lawyers most certainly had to vet this before it went up publicly, so lets raise a toast to those attorneys, and most importantly Touretzky, for their efforts. This was not a spur of the moment thing - these guys did their homework. "Ding"
- scott_s 16y agoCMU's lawyers most certainly had to vet this before it went up publicly I doubt that. Academics are used to operating with autonomy, and by nature don't confer with lawyers before speaking. So I'm curious why you're so certain he presented this to the lawyers first.
- jhferris3 16y agoAs someone who's taken a few classes with said professor, I highly doubt he consulted any lawyers before doing this.
- lotusleaf1987 16y agoThis professor is indescribably awesome.
- ScotterC 16y agoI know! Makes me really proud to have gone to school there and pissed that I wasn't in computer science and learning from that guy
- whakojacko 16y agoHe was a guest lecturer for one of my classes a few years back and talked about all the stuff he went through to keep up the Scientology documents. Pretty ridiculous all in all-I must say I almost certainly wouldn't be willing to deal with all the bs he went through. Glad someone was willing though.
- JonnieCache 16y agoMaybe he can team up with that professor from cambridge who wrote that letter to the banks and they can be an international crimefighting duo.
- oozcitak 16y agoThe Cambridge professor was Ross Anderson. He replied to a letter from UK Cards Association requesting the university to take down a research paper by a PhD student. The issue was about the chip-and-pin no-pin vulnerability. HN Discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2039117 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2039117 Take down request: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/20101221110342233.pdf http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/20101221110342233.pdf (pdf) Professor Anderson's reply: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/ukca.pdf http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/ukca.pdf (pdf)
- digitailor 16y agoMore reasons he's awesome- he wrote a fantastic introductory book to Common Lisp in 1990 that holds up to this day. It's also considered a good general early CS text by many. It is available for free download from his own directory at CMU: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/
- tpr1m 16y agoMirroring rocks! A point-and-click guarantee of defeating censorship.
- michaelty 16y agoThe blink tag was a nice touch.
- roadnottaken 16y agoHmm... no blinking in Chrome. I think I'm happy about that "feature"...
- taylorbuley 16y agoPersonally I think a <marquee> would have also sufficed.
- elliottcarlson 16y agoOT: My first website back in the mid-90's had both a <blink> and <marquee> tag in it... so so sad...
- wladimir 16y agoMine also had a java applet with a lame animated menu! Beat that :)
- Luyt 16y agoMy website featured a permanent 'Under Construction' graphic.
- brk 16y agoMy website was actually a gopher:// site.
- chopsueyar 16y agoI had a BBS.
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- david2777 16y agoOddly enough on Geohot's site and the professor's mirror it states "do not mirror file, link to geohot.com".
- int_main_void 16y agoWell A) given the state of affairs I can't imagine that geohot minds the show of support. B) I think it would be kind of hilarious of Geohot gave CMU a takedown notice for it, yeah it would be a dick move, but really hilarious.
- staunch 16y agoGeohot should send a cease and desist to Professor Touretzky
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- sever 16y agoThis is awesome. I remember DeCSS, my favorite was people getting tattoos of the source code.
- JonnieCache 16y agoDeCSS is too big for your arm. You're thinking of RSA http://www.geekytattoos.com/illegal-tattoos-rsa-tattoos/ http://www.geekytattoos.com/illegal-tattoos-rsa-tattoos/
- sever 16y agoah, right
- biggus_dictus 16y agoI think this could fit: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/hannum-efdtt-source.txt http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/hannum-efdtt-source...
- uxp 16y agoOr the AACS key, which is much more manageable as a permanent addition to one's body. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy tattoo: http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007/05/02/takedown-this/ http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007/05/02/takedown-this/
- imkevingao 16y agoThere's no point of dedicating resource on fighting freedom of speech. Sony just has to shift strategic position. I mean you don't see Microsoft and Apple whining about it. I know that Sony has dedicated A LOT of money on each individual PS3 console, but they knew this day would come. Instead of trying to sue and put restrictions on the first amendment, they should learn how to make money with a hacked system.
- dangrossman 16y agoWhat does this have to do with the first amendment? The first amendment prohibits the US government from making certain laws. "Freedom of speech" is freedom from government restrictions on speech, not from any actions of private businesses or individuals.
- erikpukinskis 16y agoAs soon as Sony files a lawsuit they bring the government (and therefore the first amendment) into the picture.
- dangrossman 16y agoOne of the court's primary purposes is to uphold agreements where one party has contracted away their right to some speech (NDAs, terms of service agreements, exclusivity agreements, etc). The only time a court upholds the first amendment is when striking down a law made by congress, a state or a local government as unconstitutional. Read the bill of rights. They are limitations on the power of government.
- tomrod 16y agoNo. The government cannot make law restricting the freedom of speech. But legally signing away your freedom of speech is an enforceable contract. It has nothing to do with "bringing in the government, ERGO freedom of speech". That is not the way litigation works.
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- aces 16y agoThis should be called "How to be a real man", by Professor Touretzky.
- mahmud 16y agoCMU CS professors have a history of kicking ass. Robert Harper is another one who is a very vocal anti-DMCA campaigner, and hosts his own political radio show :-) http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/
- cyrus_ 16y agoI don't believe his radio show is still on air, but yes.
- ddkrone 16y agoYea!
- Jayasimhan 16y agoThis is so F'ing awesome! I was feeling bad for the hackers. This news made my day.
- riffraff 16y agotime to get a PS3 master key t-shirt!
- lhnz 16y agoAnybody else find it really funny that a guy called 'touretzky' is threatening Sony. Just me? Oh.
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