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Good! No longer will we be ripped off by funding shipping from China to the US with taxpayer money. I actually think it would be better to stay in the agreemen

Good! No longer will we be ripped off by funding shipping from China to the US with taxpayer money. I actually think it would be better to stay in the agreement with most countries but slap a "transport fee" or creatively name it, on all the things coming from China, and use that to pay for the shipping cost. It should be looked at on a country by country basis, where countries we export more than import to get to send for free.

t-writescode 7y ago
The big problem with this theory is that building manufacturing in the United States will be expensive, and if the next president is going to undo this, then what’s the point of building it? It could be less expensive to weather through those 4 years. edit: could, not would
- solotronics 7y ago
  This is a weekness in our current system that has been exploited. It's a strategic national security concern and is finally being treated as such. China has "Made in China 2025" we should do the same and it should be supported by whatever measures are necessary. The alternative is that CCP will take Americas place in regards to global geopolitics.
- Mountain_Skies 7y ago
  Do you know that the next president is going to undo this? If the bar for action is that someone might undo it in the future, why do anything?
  - bluGill 7y ago
    You have to make a decision given the information you have. You can chose to wait, but that is a decision. You will always have to choose again in the future based on new information, but often once you set a plan in motion you should continue even if though without the sunk costs of the past you wouldn't. I don't know who the next President will be. The current president could die in an hour. The current president could win or lose re-election. The current president could become a military dictator for life. The above applies to any president of any country (not just Trump). You have to decide what the risk of each is and prepare accordingly.
- calimac 7y ago
  Trump2020 Hey liberals, give trump the credit he deserves even though it clashes with your cnn man can and npr brainwashing
- bluGill 7y ago
  But once you have manufacturing in the US it can be cheaper. US manufacturing needs to be very automated because of labor costs, but if you are very automated the US is a useful place to be located: close to your customers, who speak the same language. (of course Europe is also a potential customer and so the location advantage is lost) Of course this assumes that you have a process that can be automated cost effectively. That assumption is often false.
- pkaye 7y ago
  My wishful thinking is move more of the manufacturing onshore and use automation to reduce costs yet give blue collar workers some opportunities. Also favoring trade relationships with all our neighboring countries as a substitute to China.
- phy6 7y ago
  It's expensive because we can't get away with the labor rates that China does-- for building infrastructure, acquiring raw materials, and employing a workforce with benefits and pensions and unions. China has less bureaucratic overhead (in terms of factories/mines not caring about pollution) and a more driven, obedient workforce (i.e. they will work harder expecting less pay). I'm not saying those are good things, just facts as I see them. I don't know if this is a true dichotomy, but on the surface it seems that we either pay more at all levels to employ our own citizenry in manufacturing these goods, or we let our manufacturing capabilities and professions atrophy. This may actually be a good (roundabout) way to ensure that greener manufacturing is used, by making us design manufacturing these capabilities by our standards.
reaperducer 7y ago
I think you're getting downvoted because of the use of the word "taxpayer." The USPS is not funded by taxes.
- ropiwqefjnpoa 7y ago
  But we certainly fund the government that mis-manages the USPS.
- solotronics 7y ago
  The USPS is exempt from paying federal taxes therefore we are subsidizing it. "The United States Postal Service (USPS; also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service) is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, including its insular areas and associated states. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution." It is essentially a public service built to deliver our packages with special federal provisions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service#Legal_basis_and_rationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service#L...
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    The USPS exists to serve the public good rather than to enrich shareholders. Why should the USPS pay taxes when non-profits don't?
    - solotronics 7y ago
      They could be using money to deliver packages better (faster, tracking improvements, 24 hour delivery) instead of paying for China to dump products here.
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t-writescode 7y ago

The big problem with this theory is that building manufacturing in the United States will be expensive, and if the next president is going to undo this, then what’s the point of building it? It could be less expensive to weather through those 4 years. edit: could, not would

solotronics 7y ago
This is a weekness in our current system that has been exploited. It's a strategic national security concern and is finally being treated as such. China has "Made in China 2025" we should do the same and it should be supported by whatever measures are necessary. The alternative is that CCP will take Americas place in regards to global geopolitics.
Mountain_Skies 7y ago
Do you know that the next president is going to undo this? If the bar for action is that someone might undo it in the future, why do anything?
- bluGill 7y ago
  You have to make a decision given the information you have. You can chose to wait, but that is a decision. You will always have to choose again in the future based on new information, but often once you set a plan in motion you should continue even if though without the sunk costs of the past you wouldn't. I don't know who the next President will be. The current president could die in an hour. The current president could win or lose re-election. The current president could become a military dictator for life. The above applies to any president of any country (not just Trump). You have to decide what the risk of each is and prepare accordingly.
calimac 7y ago
Trump2020 Hey liberals, give trump the credit he deserves even though it clashes with your cnn man can and npr brainwashing
bluGill 7y ago
But once you have manufacturing in the US it can be cheaper. US manufacturing needs to be very automated because of labor costs, but if you are very automated the US is a useful place to be located: close to your customers, who speak the same language. (of course Europe is also a potential customer and so the location advantage is lost) Of course this assumes that you have a process that can be automated cost effectively. That assumption is often false.
pkaye 7y ago
My wishful thinking is move more of the manufacturing onshore and use automation to reduce costs yet give blue collar workers some opportunities. Also favoring trade relationships with all our neighboring countries as a substitute to China.
phy6 7y ago
It's expensive because we can't get away with the labor rates that China does-- for building infrastructure, acquiring raw materials, and employing a workforce with benefits and pensions and unions. China has less bureaucratic overhead (in terms of factories/mines not caring about pollution) and a more driven, obedient workforce (i.e. they will work harder expecting less pay). I'm not saying those are good things, just facts as I see them. I don't know if this is a true dichotomy, but on the surface it seems that we either pay more at all levels to employ our own citizenry in manufacturing these goods, or we let our manufacturing capabilities and professions atrophy. This may actually be a good (roundabout) way to ensure that greener manufacturing is used, by making us design manufacturing these capabilities by our standards.

reaperducer 7y ago

I think you're getting downvoted because of the use of the word "taxpayer." The USPS is not funded by taxes.

ropiwqefjnpoa 7y ago
But we certainly fund the government that mis-manages the USPS.
solotronics 7y ago
The USPS is exempt from paying federal taxes therefore we are subsidizing it. "The United States Postal Service (USPS; also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service) is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, including its insular areas and associated states. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution." It is essentially a public service built to deliver our packages with special federal provisions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service#Legal_basis_and_rationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service#L...
- shkkmo 7y ago
  The USPS exists to serve the public good rather than to enrich shareholders. Why should the USPS pay taxes when non-profits don't?
  - solotronics 7y ago
    They could be using money to deliver packages better (faster, tracking improvements, 24 hour delivery) instead of paying for China to dump products here.
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