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It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught-sp

It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught-spying-in-washington-again.html https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught... 2015 caught greasing politicians: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-congress-1451425210 https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-co... 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial-directly-contradicted-secret-nsa-documents/ https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... 2014: https://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggressive-spying-us-mostly-hushed-250278 https://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggressive-spying-us-mostly... 1999: https://nypost.com/1999/03/03/israel-blackmailed-bill-with-monica-tapes-spy-hunt-ended-after-mossad-bugged-prez-sex-chats-book-exclusive/ https://nypost.com/1999/03/03/israel-blackmailed-bill-with-m... 2019: https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/trained-in-israeli-intelligence-agencies-former-spies-get-involved-in-us-elections-as-private-sector-information-warriors/ https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/trained-in-israeli-intellige... 2018: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-firm-black-cube-says-hired-by-business-entity-not-trump-1.6063162 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-firm-bl... 2018: https://www.thenation.com/article/how-israel-spies-on-us-citizens/ https://www.thenation.com/article/how-israel-spies-on-us-cit... First page of a google search on "Israel spying on US" excluding last few weeks. This one's my favorite though: Netanyahu and some Hollywood freak were apparently involved in stealing atomb bomb triggers from the US: https://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel/ https://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nucle... I mean, they're in non compliance with the NPT, so they shouldn't receive any foreign aid, but good luck on that.

chimi 7y ago
Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.
- remarkEon 7y ago
  So, their spying is justified because they need to know in advance if US politicians wouldn’t fully support a potential WWIII-esque intervention on their behalf, ostensibly so they could throw their own support behind a different US politician? And this is ... not viewed as insane by normal people?
  - chimi 7y ago
    I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining Israel's rationale for doing it. I am staunchly opposed to national borders. I don't think it's right to discriminate against people for where they are born. IMO, all human beings should be allowed to freely travel and work anywhere on planet earth. EDIT: Or outer space for that matter...
    - remarkEon 7y ago
      >I’m staunchly opposed to national borders... Not sure what that has to do with this at all? It definitely sounds like bourgeoisie/boutique political signaling though. Only those with a certain level of privileges can make platitudes like that while the rest of us deal with the real world ... where borders clearly matter.
      - chimi 7y ago
        I'm not sophisticated enough to know what political signaling is, so it might be that. I don't know. What it has to do with it is that I can't justify nations spying if I don't think there should be nations. We are all people. No one chooses where they are born, their race, gender, etc. If it's wrong to discriminate for things over which we have no control, then I believe place of birth is no different than race or gender.
        remarkEon 7y ago
        >if I don’t think there should be nations. I’m saying it takes an absolutely unbelievable amount of bourgeoisie privilege to think this. It’s an idea that’s so naive it’s not even worth engaging on the merits, which is why I pointed out that people in certain social and political groups make utopian platitudes like this as a mechanism to signal how elite they are. Kind of like how people pretend to like “modern art” in order to look “cultured”.
eth0up 7y ago
Yourlist.append(https://archive.org/details/israeli-spying-in-united-states. https://archive.org/details/israeli-spying-in-united-states.) Above is the strange Carl Cameron story that disappeared. Mentions Amdocs and Infosys and other interesting things. I'm very surprised that the video works on archive.org.
thefringthing 7y ago
All currently nuclear armed nations are in violation of the NPT, so...

chimi 7y ago

Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

remarkEon 7y ago
So, their spying is justified because they need to know in advance if US politicians wouldn’t fully support a potential WWIII-esque intervention on their behalf, ostensibly so they could throw their own support behind a different US politician? And this is ... not viewed as insane by normal people?
- chimi 7y ago
  I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining Israel's rationale for doing it. I am staunchly opposed to national borders. I don't think it's right to discriminate against people for where they are born. IMO, all human beings should be allowed to freely travel and work anywhere on planet earth. EDIT: Or outer space for that matter...
  - remarkEon 7y ago
    >I’m staunchly opposed to national borders... Not sure what that has to do with this at all? It definitely sounds like bourgeoisie/boutique political signaling though. Only those with a certain level of privileges can make platitudes like that while the rest of us deal with the real world ... where borders clearly matter.
    - chimi 7y ago
      I'm not sophisticated enough to know what political signaling is, so it might be that. I don't know. What it has to do with it is that I can't justify nations spying if I don't think there should be nations. We are all people. No one chooses where they are born, their race, gender, etc. If it's wrong to discriminate for things over which we have no control, then I believe place of birth is no different than race or gender.
      - remarkEon 7y ago
        >if I don’t think there should be nations. I’m saying it takes an absolutely unbelievable amount of bourgeoisie privilege to think this. It’s an idea that’s so naive it’s not even worth engaging on the merits, which is why I pointed out that people in certain social and political groups make utopian platitudes like this as a mechanism to signal how elite they are. Kind of like how people pretend to like “modern art” in order to look “cultured”.

eth0up 7y ago

Yourlist.append(https://archive.org/details/israeli-spying-in-united-states. https://archive.org/details/israeli-spying-in-united-states.) Above is the strange Carl Cameron story that disappeared. Mentions Amdocs and Infosys and other interesting things. I'm very surprised that the video works on archive.org.

thefringthing 7y ago

All currently nuclear armed nations are in violation of the NPT, so...