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Really excited to see Discord rejected. Watching Discord take over open source and free culture communities has been disheartening to say the least.

keyle 7y ago
I've never heard of this but I'm not particularly in the field... Can you expand?
- DeepYogurt 7y ago
  Rust is moving from irc to discord as a result of mozilla sunsetting their irc server. I know one datapoint is not a trend, but it's a high profile datapoint.
  - kzrdude 7y ago
    Rust has already moved to discord, but it's subject to evaluation and might as well change.
    - M2Ys4U 7y ago
      I doubt it'll change. The Rust team simply don't care about privacy. They've been knowingly and willingly violating the GDPR since it came in to force despite constant reminders of that fact.
      - calcifer 7y ago
        > They've been knowingly and willingly violating the GDPR That's quite the inflamatory statement to throw out there without at least providing a source or two.
        oehtXRwMkIs 7y ago
        I'm guessing they are talking about this issue which has been open for a disturbingly long time: https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/955 https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/955
        kzrdude 7y ago
        It seems to be grinding through to a conclusion. Google analytics has already been removed (2018).
        M2Ys4U 7y ago
        Activity only started after the ICO made contact with them as a result of my complaint. (I also have issues with how slow the ICO are at investigating, but that's a different story)
        steveklabnik 7y ago
        This is not accurate. I can agree that the process has been slow and frustrating, but that’s for us as well. We would have much preferred to have this all sorted a long time ago. I won’t be able to say more than that, but I can’t stand by suggesting that we don’t care about this issue. I’ve been personally advocating for these things longer than that issue has been open.
        jlokier 7y ago
        If you've been personally advocating against the inertia of your team for a long time, I think that lends weight to the idea that "we" (the team) don't care about the issue so much. You do, but not the team you're part of.
        steveklabnik 7y ago
        That could be the case but the inertia doesn’t come from the team.
        7y ago
  - jesse_m 7y ago
    fwiw, the Embedded Rust Working Group moved to matrix: https://rust-embedded.github.io/blog/newsletter-18/ https://rust-embedded.github.io/blog/newsletter-18/
nitemice 7y ago
Conversly, I'm surpised that Slack made the list for similar reasons. I would've thought the would definitely want an open-source solution.
techntoke 7y ago
You must really dislike GitHub then.
- coldpie 7y ago
  I can't speak for the OP of this thread, but I agree with them and yes, I really dislike GitHub, too.
- EamonnMR 7y ago
  I can more or less easily get my data out of github (I can host a repo elsewhere, write a script to scrape the issues, etc.) I don't like using the non-git parts of it for much (ie why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files?) Discord is a whole other level of walled garden. It's a black hole of information, and that information isn't owned by you. Discoverability is nonexistent.
  - woodrowbarlow 7y ago
    > why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files? fyi: github wikis are just a repo full of markdown files. you can clone down your wiki, make changes, write commits, etc.
    - techntoke 7y ago
      Except it is using Gollum, which isn't all that great. I think the only positive is tab integration. I prefer the GitHub or GitLab Pages approach.
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  - techntoke 7y ago
    Backup scripts also exist for Discord. You can also export your data. It really isn't much different than GitHub in that aspect.
TX-i 7y ago
Discord changed the communications of an entire generation, removed ideal low priority messaging and replaced it with a vulnerable and bloated service that now offers to sell you games and track your every move. Everything on Discord is unencrypted by design.
olah_1 7y ago
I think people are moving to discord as a stop-gap because they place user experience above everything else. There's a lot of alternatives, but until they provide a good user experience, I don't see a point in purposefully making peoples' lives suck. I'm confident that alternative's to discord will get better with time, but they're really not there yet.

keyle 7y ago

I've never heard of this but I'm not particularly in the field... Can you expand?

DeepYogurt 7y ago
Rust is moving from irc to discord as a result of mozilla sunsetting their irc server. I know one datapoint is not a trend, but it's a high profile datapoint.
- kzrdude 7y ago
  Rust has already moved to discord, but it's subject to evaluation and might as well change.
  - M2Ys4U 7y ago
    I doubt it'll change. The Rust team simply don't care about privacy. They've been knowingly and willingly violating the GDPR since it came in to force despite constant reminders of that fact.
    - calcifer 7y ago
      > They've been knowingly and willingly violating the GDPR That's quite the inflamatory statement to throw out there without at least providing a source or two.
      - oehtXRwMkIs 7y ago
        I'm guessing they are talking about this issue which has been open for a disturbingly long time: https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/955 https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/955
        kzrdude 7y ago
        It seems to be grinding through to a conclusion. Google analytics has already been removed (2018).
        M2Ys4U 7y ago
        Activity only started after the ICO made contact with them as a result of my complaint. (I also have issues with how slow the ICO are at investigating, but that's a different story)
        steveklabnik 7y ago
        This is not accurate. I can agree that the process has been slow and frustrating, but that’s for us as well. We would have much preferred to have this all sorted a long time ago. I won’t be able to say more than that, but I can’t stand by suggesting that we don’t care about this issue. I’ve been personally advocating for these things longer than that issue has been open.
        jlokier 7y ago
        If you've been personally advocating against the inertia of your team for a long time, I think that lends weight to the idea that "we" (the team) don't care about the issue so much. You do, but not the team you're part of.
        steveklabnik 7y ago
        That could be the case but the inertia doesn’t come from the team.
        7y ago
- jesse_m 7y ago
  fwiw, the Embedded Rust Working Group moved to matrix: https://rust-embedded.github.io/blog/newsletter-18/ https://rust-embedded.github.io/blog/newsletter-18/

nitemice 7y ago

Conversly, I'm surpised that Slack made the list for similar reasons. I would've thought the would definitely want an open-source solution.

techntoke 7y ago

You must really dislike GitHub then.

coldpie 7y ago
I can't speak for the OP of this thread, but I agree with them and yes, I really dislike GitHub, too.
EamonnMR 7y ago
I can more or less easily get my data out of github (I can host a repo elsewhere, write a script to scrape the issues, etc.) I don't like using the non-git parts of it for much (ie why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files?) Discord is a whole other level of walled garden. It's a black hole of information, and that information isn't owned by you. Discoverability is nonexistent.
- woodrowbarlow 7y ago
  > why write a wiki when you can just make a repo full of markdown files? fyi: github wikis are just a repo full of markdown files. you can clone down your wiki, make changes, write commits, etc.
  - techntoke 7y ago
    Except it is using Gollum, which isn't all that great. I think the only positive is tab integration. I prefer the GitHub or GitLab Pages approach.
- deleted 7y ago
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- techntoke 7y ago
  Backup scripts also exist for Discord. You can also export your data. It really isn't much different than GitHub in that aspect.

TX-i 7y ago

Discord changed the communications of an entire generation, removed ideal low priority messaging and replaced it with a vulnerable and bloated service that now offers to sell you games and track your every move. Everything on Discord is unencrypted by design.

olah_1 7y ago

I think people are moving to discord as a stop-gap because they place user experience above everything else. There's a lot of alternatives, but until they provide a good user experience, I don't see a point in purposefully making peoples' lives suck. I'm confident that alternative's to discord will get better with time, but they're really not there yet.