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The bill makes an exception for engineers, among other professions: > An individual who holds an active license from the State of California and is practicing

The bill makes an exception for engineers, among other professions: > An individual who holds an active license from the State of California and is practicing one of the following recognized professions: lawyer, architect, engineer, private investigator, or accountant.

throwaway_law 7y ago
That would not apply to software developers, even if they call themselves engineers, software developers are not licensed professional engineers (i.e. civil engineers). For example a Software Developer can't start a professional corporation in California like a lawyer, architect, civil engineer, accountant etc...
- csunbird 7y ago
  unless they have a college degree
  - throwaway_law 7y ago
    a College degree != a professional license
    - blackflame7000 7y ago
      The American National Society of Professional Engineers provides a model law and lobbies legislatures to adopt occupational licensing regulations. The model law requires: 1) a four-year degree from a university program accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Committee (EAC) of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET), 2) an eight-hour examination on the fundamentals of engineering (FE) usually taken in the senior year of college, 3) four years of acceptable experience, 4) a second examination on principles and practice 5) written recommendations from other professional engineers.
pishpash 7y ago
Software "engineer" is not a (licensed) engineer, for the hundredth time.
- PorterDuff 7y ago
  It's a shame that doesn't exist. I've always thought you could make an especially strong argument for licensing for embedded software people, for many of the same reasons that a PE is licensed. It wouldn't be a requirement for a job necessarily, but not a bad thing to have.
  - chroma 7y ago
    I doubt such a certification would have any correlation with ability. Maybe the platonic ideal of training and testing that you're thinking of, but not a certification written by the US government. Even competent parts of the government like NIST take forever to update their standards. It would be worse for a licensing bureau with practically no in-house software expertise.
  - 0xffff2 7y ago
    You can get a computer engineering PE, which would probably be appropriate for the vast majority of embedded software developers. There was a software PE for a few years, but my understanding is that it was dropped for lack of interest.
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adwww 7y ago
Is a software engineer really a recognised proffesion in CA? It's a proffesional level job, but reconisation usually means being a member of some sort of proffesional body - no idea what the software one of those would be?
- blackflame7000 7y ago
  I think they only have it in Texas as of now
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throwaway_law 7y ago

That would not apply to software developers, even if they call themselves engineers, software developers are not licensed professional engineers (i.e. civil engineers). For example a Software Developer can't start a professional corporation in California like a lawyer, architect, civil engineer, accountant etc...

csunbird 7y ago
unless they have a college degree
- throwaway_law 7y ago
  a College degree != a professional license
  - blackflame7000 7y ago
    The American National Society of Professional Engineers provides a model law and lobbies legislatures to adopt occupational licensing regulations. The model law requires: 1) a four-year degree from a university program accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Committee (EAC) of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET), 2) an eight-hour examination on the fundamentals of engineering (FE) usually taken in the senior year of college, 3) four years of acceptable experience, 4) a second examination on principles and practice 5) written recommendations from other professional engineers.

pishpash 7y ago

Software "engineer" is not a (licensed) engineer, for the hundredth time.

PorterDuff 7y ago
It's a shame that doesn't exist. I've always thought you could make an especially strong argument for licensing for embedded software people, for many of the same reasons that a PE is licensed. It wouldn't be a requirement for a job necessarily, but not a bad thing to have.
- chroma 7y ago
  I doubt such a certification would have any correlation with ability. Maybe the platonic ideal of training and testing that you're thinking of, but not a certification written by the US government. Even competent parts of the government like NIST take forever to update their standards. It would be worse for a licensing bureau with practically no in-house software expertise.
- 0xffff2 7y ago
  You can get a computer engineering PE, which would probably be appropriate for the vast majority of embedded software developers. There was a software PE for a few years, but my understanding is that it was dropped for lack of interest.

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adwww 7y ago

Is a software engineer really a recognised proffesion in CA? It's a proffesional level job, but reconisation usually means being a member of some sort of proffesional body - no idea what the software one of those would be?

blackflame7000 7y ago
I think they only have it in Texas as of now

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