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I see where you’re coming from, but it also feels like asking ‘why do you want to work in a nice place ? what difference is it really making that your desk has

by hrktb 7y ago

I see where you’re coming from, but it also feels like asking ‘why do you want to work in a nice place ? what difference is it really making that your desk has smooth angles and is made of sturdy materials instead of a particle plank with feets we’d buy at IKEA ?’ People can be productive and do fantastic work on any working material. But why have it worse when you’ll be using the device day in day out and stare at it for years ? I don’t think we are arguing the Pro is nicer, right ?

davnicwil 7y ago
No, I definitely agree, in fact I was going to give that very caveat ('aside from the pro model just being nicer to use if you use a phone all the time at work') but didn't want to presume your point too much. Also I was genuinely interested, maybe there are jobs like this and I'm just not aware of them :-)
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Working at a "nice place" is what you care about when you've already decided that everything else about the job is going to suck. When the rest of your working conditions are decent don't care what your desk is like.
- gowld 7y ago
  Right but we're talking about SV jobs, which do suck and only get employees for the pay and perks.
- tcoff91 7y ago
  Having ergonomic equipment is pretty important IMO regardless of the job.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    There's a big difference between decent, ergononic equipment and high luxury though. The most expensive flagship phones compare to high luxury, not basic, functional, ergononic environments.
- hrktb 7y ago
  I decided long ago that I won’t work for places that can’t be bothered having decent offices, whatever they do, whatever they pay * I don’t mean candy bowls or flashy sofas, but well lit, well ventilated, with decent toilets, noise isolation and living space between desks, and ergonomic chairs (at least adjustable in height and depth/inclination) Cheaping out on work environment is the first sign of misplaced priorities IMO. Especially when it’s so easy to get penalties from work inspection. * I’ll settle for a million dollar a year, I confess
ineedasername 7y ago
Well sure, but the particle board thing tcompares to getting a cheap Android budget model though. Not last year's flagship at 40% of the cost. (Well, last year's iPhone hasn't dropped quite that much, but in the Android world they often do with some smart shopping.)
la_barba 7y ago
Why the weird extremes? Did the Iphone 8 or X or a android flagship from 2017 stop being nice? Is that your standard for an "IKEA particle plank"?
jimbokun 7y ago
> I don’t think we are arguing the Pro is nicer, right ? I didn't watch the entire presentation, but didn't seem very different from current high end phones, except for the camera.

by hrktb 7y ago

davnicwil 7y ago

No, I definitely agree, in fact I was going to give that very caveat ('aside from the pro model just being nicer to use if you use a phone all the time at work') but didn't want to presume your point too much. Also I was genuinely interested, maybe there are jobs like this and I'm just not aware of them :-)

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

Working at a "nice place" is what you care about when you've already decided that everything else about the job is going to suck. When the rest of your working conditions are decent don't care what your desk is like.

gowld 7y ago
Right but we're talking about SV jobs, which do suck and only get employees for the pay and perks.
tcoff91 7y ago
Having ergonomic equipment is pretty important IMO regardless of the job.
- ineedasername 7y ago
  There's a big difference between decent, ergononic equipment and high luxury though. The most expensive flagship phones compare to high luxury, not basic, functional, ergononic environments.
hrktb 7y ago
I decided long ago that I won’t work for places that can’t be bothered having decent offices, whatever they do, whatever they pay * I don’t mean candy bowls or flashy sofas, but well lit, well ventilated, with decent toilets, noise isolation and living space between desks, and ergonomic chairs (at least adjustable in height and depth/inclination) Cheaping out on work environment is the first sign of misplaced priorities IMO. Especially when it’s so easy to get penalties from work inspection. * I’ll settle for a million dollar a year, I confess

ineedasername 7y ago

Well sure, but the particle board thing tcompares to getting a cheap Android budget model though. Not last year's flagship at 40% of the cost. (Well, last year's iPhone hasn't dropped quite that much, but in the Android world they often do with some smart shopping.)

la_barba 7y ago

Why the weird extremes? Did the Iphone 8 or X or a android flagship from 2017 stop being nice? Is that your standard for an "IKEA particle plank"?

jimbokun 7y ago

> I don’t think we are arguing the Pro is nicer, right ? I didn't watch the entire presentation, but didn't seem very different from current high end phones, except for the camera.