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Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

by krzyk 7y ago

gallerdude 7y ago
Apple is on a 3 year cycle now, probably to help accelerate development on their AR project. Redesign -> CPU leap -> Camera leap iPhone 6 -> 6S -> 7 iPhone X -> XS -> 11
- leoc 7y ago
  > Apple is on a 3 year cycle now, probably to help accelerate development on their AR project. If Apple has made that decision then there's a context which isn't generally appreciated. It's not just that you've stopped buying new phones so Apple needs something else to sell you: it's that AR/VR is more or less inevitably the future mainstream interface of mobile computing. The box-with-a-screen-on-the-side physical UI has hit its limits (this is Amdahl's Law of Mobile UI ;) ), which is also why there's so much interest in trying to make folding screens work.
snuxoll 7y ago
If the iPhone 6-8 and now the X/XS/11 are anything to go by then I think the days of the tick-tock refreshes are over. Apple has made it pretty clear they don’t see upgrading their phones every 1-2 years anymore. Personally if my iPhone 7+ hadn’t gone and bricked itself I wouldn’t have bothered trading it in (after replacement under warranty) for the XS. My wife is still rocking an iPhone 7 and I see no reason to upgrade it either. Never in my life until the year before last have I been satisfied to just hold onto a phone, especially after my contract or payment plan has ended. This is the new “normal”, and everyone except the most enthusiastic of enthusiasts are going to bother buying a new phone more than every 3+ years.
- dangus 7y ago
  It's exactly like the laptop and desktop refreshes. Nobody who bought a 2016 MacBook Pro has any business buying the 2019 model. The performance gain and overall differences are far too slight for that to matter. But that doesn't mean you just stop updating your products every year.
  - novaRom 7y ago
    All Macbooks after 2016 are simply "no go" because of their broken keyboard.
- techdragon 7y ago
  Then it would be nice if they extended the AppleCare to let us protect the devices as long as Apple expects us to be keeping it.
iamnotacrook 7y ago
People say they expect more, but what, exactly? Do people still expect more from a laptop? They're laptops - they've not changed in 15 years. They just get faster, smaller and more easy to break. Phones have caught up. Nothings happening except more megapixels, plus slightly faster CPUs so..i dunno...snapchat loads faster or whatever, or more lenses or whatever, plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in the UK. Expect less, from now on, or you'll be disappointed.
- deergomoo 7y ago
  > plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in the UK I don’t know what the hell is going on here. Usually the lack of VAT in US prices explains weird conversions, but even factoring that in it comes to £970. Keeping it at £999 would be fine; to put it up by 50 quid is some serious bullshit.
  - danw1979 7y ago
    > I don’t know what the hell is going on here. Hedging their bets against the pound tanking in 7 weeks time ?
    - mostvexing 7y ago
      I'd think they could buy currency futures or something to hedge against that risk.
      - Someone 7y ago
        Hedging risks costs money, too, statistically.
  - stordoff 7y ago
    Pound hit a low of 1.1959 a week ago, and The Telegraph noted "there is a risk of sterling falling further"[1]. Taking that price gives £1002.42 ((999/1.1959)*1.2), and pricing in a potential drop doesn't seem totally unreasonable. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-1001/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/markets-live...
selectodude 7y ago
I think anybody paying attention knew that next years model is where they’re adding 5G and a new design.
- gnicholas 7y ago
  Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to redesign this year (kill the dreaded notch) and add 5G next year? That way they can capitalize on early adopters twice, not once.
evo_9 7y ago
While I don't disagree with you I do wonder what more could they offer at this point? What are the missing features that everyone expected/needed? The iPhone is now like Photoshop; it has all the features I've needed and more for at least 3-4 generations now. Maybe a stripped down iPhone with less features, smaller size and (magically) longer/better battery life would be a better angle for Apple to take at this point?
- iNate2000 7y ago
  I want an iPhone Max that can use Apple Pencil. But that's just me.
- pzo 7y ago
  at least usb 3.0 transfer speed for transferring all those gigabytes of movies because pros won't be editing those on a phone. User would also enjoy faster backups and syncs. Computer vision dev would enjoy streaming video feed realtime with low latency and prototyping algorithm on desktop. One generation of iPad Pro already had usb 3.0 even with lightning connector so I don't see a reason not to get it even if we cannot have usb-c yet in iphones. Even raspberry pi 4 has usb 3.0 - spec that has been realeased in 2010.
prewett 7y ago
I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and better low-light imaging - AI image processing magic - Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market) - "immersive audio" (this is a maybe: I'll be impressed if a phone can pack speakers that beat my studio headphones, but the 2019 MacBook Pro 15" is 95% as good, so there's a possibility) - incremental improvements to WiFi and LTE That all sounds pretty compelling to me. I'm not sure if I want it enough to pay $1000, but this sounds like a pretty solid improvement in pretty much all ways.
- m1sta_ 7y ago
  An improvement with no real innovation.
- ko27 7y ago
  > 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) What so exciting here? It's OLED. They all have that kind of contrast ratio. The huge number was just mentioned for marketing sake. Your eyes won't know the difference between 200000, 2000000 or Infinity.
  - moogleii 7y ago
    While being P3 compliant?
    - babypuncher 7y ago
      iPhone 8 and X were the first iPhones to support DCI-P3 color space.
      - delfinom 7y ago
        And 99% were non the wiser or cared.
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wvenable 7y ago
If you don't change the case style, how will anyone know you have the newest model!

Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

by krzyk 7y ago

Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

Apple is on a 3 year cycle now, probably to help accelerate development on their AR project. Redesign -> CPU leap -> Camera leap iPhone 6 -> 6S -> 7 iPhone X -> XS -> 11

leoc 7y ago
> Apple is on a 3 year cycle now, probably to help accelerate development on their AR project. If Apple has made that decision then there's a context which isn't generally appreciated. It's not just that you've stopped buying new phones so Apple needs something else to sell you: it's that AR/VR is more or less inevitably the future mainstream interface of mobile computing. The box-with-a-screen-on-the-side physical UI has hit its limits (this is Amdahl's Law of Mobile UI ;) ), which is also why there's so much interest in trying to make folding screens work.

snuxoll 7y ago

If the iPhone 6-8 and now the X/XS/11 are anything to go by then I think the days of the tick-tock refreshes are over. Apple has made it pretty clear they don’t see upgrading their phones every 1-2 years anymore. Personally if my iPhone 7+ hadn’t gone and bricked itself I wouldn’t have bothered trading it in (after replacement under warranty) for the XS. My wife is still rocking an iPhone 7 and I see no reason to upgrade it either. Never in my life until the year before last have I been satisfied to just hold onto a phone, especially after my contract or payment plan has ended. This is the new “normal”, and everyone except the most enthusiastic of enthusiasts are going to bother buying a new phone more than every 3+ years.

dangus 7y ago
It's exactly like the laptop and desktop refreshes. Nobody who bought a 2016 MacBook Pro has any business buying the 2019 model. The performance gain and overall differences are far too slight for that to matter. But that doesn't mean you just stop updating your products every year.
- novaRom 7y ago
  All Macbooks after 2016 are simply "no go" because of their broken keyboard.
techdragon 7y ago
Then it would be nice if they extended the AppleCare to let us protect the devices as long as Apple expects us to be keeping it.

iamnotacrook 7y ago

People say they expect more, but what, exactly? Do people still expect more from a laptop? They're laptops - they've not changed in 15 years. They just get faster, smaller and more easy to break. Phones have caught up. Nothings happening except more megapixels, plus slightly faster CPUs so..i dunno...snapchat loads faster or whatever, or more lenses or whatever, plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in the UK. Expect less, from now on, or you'll be disappointed.

deergomoo 7y ago
> plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in the UK I don’t know what the hell is going on here. Usually the lack of VAT in US prices explains weird conversions, but even factoring that in it comes to £970. Keeping it at £999 would be fine; to put it up by 50 quid is some serious bullshit.
- danw1979 7y ago
  > I don’t know what the hell is going on here. Hedging their bets against the pound tanking in 7 weeks time ?
  - mostvexing 7y ago
    I'd think they could buy currency futures or something to hedge against that risk.
    - Someone 7y ago
      Hedging risks costs money, too, statistically.
- stordoff 7y ago
  Pound hit a low of 1.1959 a week ago, and The Telegraph noted "there is a risk of sterling falling further"[1]. Taking that price gives £1002.42 ((999/1.1959)*1.2), and pricing in a potential drop doesn't seem totally unreasonable. [1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-1001/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/markets-live...

selectodude 7y ago

I think anybody paying attention knew that next years model is where they’re adding 5G and a new design.

gnicholas 7y ago
Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to redesign this year (kill the dreaded notch) and add 5G next year? That way they can capitalize on early adopters twice, not once.

evo_9 7y ago

While I don't disagree with you I do wonder what more could they offer at this point? What are the missing features that everyone expected/needed? The iPhone is now like Photoshop; it has all the features I've needed and more for at least 3-4 generations now. Maybe a stripped down iPhone with less features, smaller size and (magically) longer/better battery life would be a better angle for Apple to take at this point?

iNate2000 7y ago
I want an iPhone Max that can use Apple Pencil. But that's just me.
pzo 7y ago
at least usb 3.0 transfer speed for transferring all those gigabytes of movies because pros won't be editing those on a phone. User would also enjoy faster backups and syncs. Computer vision dev would enjoy streaming video feed realtime with low latency and prototyping algorithm on desktop. One generation of iPad Pro already had usb 3.0 even with lightning connector so I don't see a reason not to get it even if we cannot have usb-c yet in iphones. Even raspberry pi 4 has usb 3.0 - spec that has been realeased in 2010.

prewett 7y ago

I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and better low-light imaging - AI image processing magic - Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market) - "immersive audio" (this is a maybe: I'll be impressed if a phone can pack speakers that beat my studio headphones, but the 2019 MacBook Pro 15" is 95% as good, so there's a possibility) - incremental improvements to WiFi and LTE That all sounds pretty compelling to me. I'm not sure if I want it enough to pay $1000, but this sounds like a pretty solid improvement in pretty much all ways.

m1sta_ 7y ago
An improvement with no real innovation.
ko27 7y ago
> 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) What so exciting here? It's OLED. They all have that kind of contrast ratio. The huge number was just mentioned for marketing sake. Your eyes won't know the difference between 200000, 2000000 or Infinity.
- moogleii 7y ago
  While being P3 compliant?
  - babypuncher 7y ago
    iPhone 8 and X were the first iPhones to support DCI-P3 color space.
    - delfinom 7y ago
      And 99% were non the wiser or cared.

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wvenable 7y ago

If you don't change the case style, how will anyone know you have the newest model!