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If either you or the posters above linked to primary sources it would help a lot. Anyone can make proclamations but where are the references??

proverbialbunny 7y ago
That's a good point. The court case is starting in a little over a week, so Alexander Vinnik (the one accused of the MtGox hack, who was a technician working at btc-e) has yet to be found guilty or innocent. >On 25 July 2017, suspected BTC-e operator Alexander Vinnik was arrested at the behest of the United States Justice Department while vacationing with his family in Greece.[8][9] Wanted for money laundering by both France and Russia, in addition to the US[10]. Vinnik agreed to be returned to Russia, where he was charged only with fraud.[11] In October 2017 the extradition request by Russia was approved by one Greek court, but the request by the United States was approved by another.[12] The decision to extradite Vinnik to the United States was upheld by the Greek Supreme Court on December 13, 2017.[11] However, in July 2018 Greece agreed to extradite Vinnik to France instead,[13] giving precendence to the European warrant.[citation needed]A final ruling is scheduled for September 19,[14] though Vinnik's lawyer claims that "the decision on Vinnik's extradition to Russia has been made".[15] source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTC-e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTC-e It's good that he didn't end up going to the US. The US, while legitimate in many ways, has a history of corrupt court practices. If it's in the government's interest to keep the 2 billion, which it is, they will do everything they can to throw him under the bus.
- komali2 7y ago
  Between a Russian court an American one, do you think he'll be safer in a Russian one?
  - mirekrusin 7y ago
    If Putin holds private keys at the end of this transaction, then - yes :)
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - proverbialbunny 7y ago
    He's being extradited to France, which probably has less bias, but still a bias. I doubt the US will get involved behind the scene in France, because they've phrased their reasoning for the heist as btc-e's users were money laundering, so even if he is found innocent, the US still gets to keep the money and not look bad. Russia may have a bias, I'm uncertain. I'm not sure how happy Russia was about btc-e. BTC-e may have been in the Ukraine, but Russia implicitly requires neighboring countries to follow Russian law. Did BTC-e break Russian law? I have no idea. But because he is not being extradited to Russia, we'll probably never find out what Russia thinks.
- keymone 7y ago
  > The US, while legitimate in many ways, has a history of corrupt court practices. I don’t know how can anyone with straight face compare US court system to Russia’s and not conclude that US is orders of magnitude more fair and less corrupt. Are you being serious right now? Russian court system is literally proxy for Putin’s decisions. EDIT: disregard that, i somehow assumed extradition to russia was a sure thing already
  - DoctorOetker 7y ago
    it seems he is comparing them to french courts? it may surprise you that france is not a province of russia
    - keymone 7y ago
      yeah, you're right, i think i got confused by the last statement. it's not final yet where he's being extradited. greece's ruling party's flirting with russia in past couple years makes me quite skeptical and pessimistic.

proverbialbunny 7y ago

That's a good point. The court case is starting in a little over a week, so Alexander Vinnik (the one accused of the MtGox hack, who was a technician working at btc-e) has yet to be found guilty or innocent. >On 25 July 2017, suspected BTC-e operator Alexander Vinnik was arrested at the behest of the United States Justice Department while vacationing with his family in Greece.[8][9] Wanted for money laundering by both France and Russia, in addition to the US[10]. Vinnik agreed to be returned to Russia, where he was charged only with fraud.[11] In October 2017 the extradition request by Russia was approved by one Greek court, but the request by the United States was approved by another.[12] The decision to extradite Vinnik to the United States was upheld by the Greek Supreme Court on December 13, 2017.[11] However, in July 2018 Greece agreed to extradite Vinnik to France instead,[13] giving precendence to the European warrant.[citation needed]A final ruling is scheduled for September 19,[14] though Vinnik's lawyer claims that "the decision on Vinnik's extradition to Russia has been made".[15] source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTC-e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTC-e It's good that he didn't end up going to the US. The US, while legitimate in many ways, has a history of corrupt court practices. If it's in the government's interest to keep the 2 billion, which it is, they will do everything they can to throw him under the bus.

komali2 7y ago
Between a Russian court an American one, do you think he'll be safer in a Russian one?
- mirekrusin 7y ago
  If Putin holds private keys at the end of this transaction, then - yes :)
- deleted 7y ago
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- proverbialbunny 7y ago
  He's being extradited to France, which probably has less bias, but still a bias. I doubt the US will get involved behind the scene in France, because they've phrased their reasoning for the heist as btc-e's users were money laundering, so even if he is found innocent, the US still gets to keep the money and not look bad. Russia may have a bias, I'm uncertain. I'm not sure how happy Russia was about btc-e. BTC-e may have been in the Ukraine, but Russia implicitly requires neighboring countries to follow Russian law. Did BTC-e break Russian law? I have no idea. But because he is not being extradited to Russia, we'll probably never find out what Russia thinks.
keymone 7y ago
> The US, while legitimate in many ways, has a history of corrupt court practices. I don’t know how can anyone with straight face compare US court system to Russia’s and not conclude that US is orders of magnitude more fair and less corrupt. Are you being serious right now? Russian court system is literally proxy for Putin’s decisions. EDIT: disregard that, i somehow assumed extradition to russia was a sure thing already
- DoctorOetker 7y ago
  it seems he is comparing them to french courts? it may surprise you that france is not a province of russia
  - keymone 7y ago
    yeah, you're right, i think i got confused by the last statement. it's not final yet where he's being extradited. greece's ruling party's flirting with russia in past couple years makes me quite skeptical and pessimistic.