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> Consider the plight of the medical student though. While not as bad, ML/NLP/CV/AI grad school is still pretty bad. Maybe 60-70% of what med students (more sp

> Consider the plight of the medical student though. While not as bad, ML/NLP/CV/AI grad school is still pretty bad. Maybe 60-70% of what med students (more specifically, residents) go through.

Kephael 7y ago
Graduate school is probably worse because it's not time boxed and what you're trying to do may not actually be possible. When you leave your medical residency for the day you don't have the option to continue working.
- 0xB31B1B 7y ago
  Wife is in surgery residency, they do a lot of research projects, there is a lot of work to take home
  - stephencanon 7y ago
    It never ends. Wife is an attending surgeon, and she's currently working on refining a grant proposal at 9pm on Sunday =).
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eli_gottlieb 7y ago
>While not as bad, ML/NLP/CV/AI grad school is still pretty bad. Uhhhhh what? I'm in grad school right now. I feel... a lot better-off than any medical student or resident I've ever met, or even than my wife, who's a high-school science teacher (God help her!).
benmaraschino 7y ago
No way. It's not even close. And I say this as a PhD candidate in one of these fields at Stanford. Grad school is what you make of it, to a large extent. There's definitely toxicity, but it's not as systematic or ritualized to the extent that it is in medicine. In grad school, you have wide leeway over who you work with, and you can distance yourself from the toxic personalities if that's what you want to do without taking a career hit. That's not really possible in medicine.
- paggle 7y ago
  Yeah, med school is the only “brainy” career path that endures military-style hazing on a ritualized and widespread basis.
  - stephencanon 7y ago
    To be precise: med school is (comparatively) a walk in the park. Years 3 and 4 of med school are a sort of "residency lite" where you rotate in different specialties, but the doctors don't really expect you to be useful, so it's fairly low-pressure other than odd hours. Study up so you can know what you're talking about, don't get in people's way, and you'll be fine. Residency is when the 80+hrs/week institutional hazing happens.
    - paggle 7y ago
      Yes, “medicine” would have been the correct term.
- selimthegrim 7y ago
  At a top tier university, sure. Try a department with 20% faculty turnover where all the junior faculty leave before the third year review as soon as they get their NSF CAREER award and you don’t know if you’re getting paid in the summers.
ravar 7y ago
Currently getting a PhD at respectable grad school, my Girlfriend is currently at medical school. She has it way harder than I ever have, medical school is just on another level.

> Consider the plight of the medical student though. While not as bad, ML/NLP/CV/AI grad school is still pretty bad. Maybe 60-70% of what med students (more specifically, residents) go through.

Kephael 7y ago

Graduate school is probably worse because it's not time boxed and what you're trying to do may not actually be possible. When you leave your medical residency for the day you don't have the option to continue working.

0xB31B1B 7y ago
Wife is in surgery residency, they do a lot of research projects, there is a lot of work to take home
- stephencanon 7y ago
  It never ends. Wife is an attending surgeon, and she's currently working on refining a grant proposal at 9pm on Sunday =).
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eli_gottlieb 7y ago

>While not as bad, ML/NLP/CV/AI grad school is still pretty bad. Uhhhhh what? I'm in grad school right now. I feel... a lot better-off than any medical student or resident I've ever met, or even than my wife, who's a high-school science teacher (God help her!).

benmaraschino 7y ago

No way. It's not even close. And I say this as a PhD candidate in one of these fields at Stanford. Grad school is what you make of it, to a large extent. There's definitely toxicity, but it's not as systematic or ritualized to the extent that it is in medicine. In grad school, you have wide leeway over who you work with, and you can distance yourself from the toxic personalities if that's what you want to do without taking a career hit. That's not really possible in medicine.

paggle 7y ago
Yeah, med school is the only “brainy” career path that endures military-style hazing on a ritualized and widespread basis.
- stephencanon 7y ago
  To be precise: med school is (comparatively) a walk in the park. Years 3 and 4 of med school are a sort of "residency lite" where you rotate in different specialties, but the doctors don't really expect you to be useful, so it's fairly low-pressure other than odd hours. Study up so you can know what you're talking about, don't get in people's way, and you'll be fine. Residency is when the 80+hrs/week institutional hazing happens.
  - paggle 7y ago
    Yes, “medicine” would have been the correct term.
selimthegrim 7y ago
At a top tier university, sure. Try a department with 20% faculty turnover where all the junior faculty leave before the third year review as soon as they get their NSF CAREER award and you don’t know if you’re getting paid in the summers.

ravar 7y ago

Currently getting a PhD at respectable grad school, my Girlfriend is currently at medical school. She has it way harder than I ever have, medical school is just on another level.