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AI-powered cameras become new tool against mass shootings
- neonate 7y agohttp://archive.is/91qiC http://archive.is/91qiC
- eveningcoffee 7y agoThis looks like a build of total surveillance system like in China. Except the excuse is different.
- iamrobschiavone 7y agoAlternative headline: AI-powered cameras become new tool for mass surveillance
- the_trapper 7y agoI'm waiting for a politician to pass legislation requiring us to have the telescreens from 1984. We already have thought crimes, I mean red flag laws and no fly lists. People need to stop giving up their liberty and privacy for perceived safety. You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting. This is the new flavor of scare tactic.
- RaceWon 7y ago> You're much more likely to be killed by an automobile than a mass shooting My man! 3,424 people per Day are killed in car crashes. That is 1 million and 250 Thousand people every single year who die in wrecks. Here in America alone we lose over 100 people every single day--give or take a few.
- mdemare 7y agoYou’re more likely to be murdered in the U.S. than to be killed in a traffic accident in the Netherlands. My point being, there is a lot of room for improvement in _both_ numbers.
- oh_sigh 7y agoFor certain definitions of "you". There are small subsets of the population which account for large percentages of homicides in the US, and they mostly kill each other(gangs). I, personally, based on my demographics, activities, and location, have a very low chance of being murdered. Less than the average European. But probably more than a European of similar traits to me. But the odds at that point are so low it is really irrelevant in life.
- king_magic 7y agoI agree that no fly lists are a bit much, but I’m 100% in favor of red flag laws. RE: red flag laws, I don’t see them rising to the level of thought crime. For example, I do not think it is unreasonable to use a legal process involving a judge to take away guns (either temporarily or permanently) from unstable people who are making thinly veiled threats. Society should have that right, and I for one fully support it. Equating mass shootings to basically the “well, terrorism is so rare you’re more likely to get crushed by your TV” scare tactic argument isn’t really fair. I’m sorry, 283* mass shootings in one year in one country is absolutely insane. It’s not a scare tactic, this is quite literally a mass shooting crisis. Short of national background checks, assault weapons bans and a whole host of other common sense things that Republicans and the NRA will never let happen in the US, I think red flag laws involving a judge are worth giving a try. This new trend on HN of hammering red flag laws is really hard to understand. These laws are not oppressive overreach. They are common sense, reasonable approaches to dealing with the greatest domestic threat we actually have. *https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-more-mass-shootings-than-days-so-far-this-year/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-more-mass-s...
- rayiner 7y agoSaying it louder doesn’t make the point less ridiculous. Mass shooting deaths have never exceeded 80 per year. Nobody is panicked about West Nile fever anymore, but it still causes 100+ deaths per year. You’d think engineers would be resistant to such blatant emotional manipulation, but I guess not.
- king_magic 7y agoYour numbers are simply not accurate. And equating this to mosquito-borne disease is not reasonable. Mosquitoes aren’t being radicalized by the far right, they aren’t living in an increasingly polarized society, and they certainly don’t blow orange size exit wounds in people. *https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...
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- onion2k 7y agoThis is the new flavor of scare tactic. I'm British, and I find it really weird that Americans apparently live in abject terror of the world around them. The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't.
- RaceWon 7y ago> The notion that anyone in Britain would ever need a deadly weapon to defend themselves is completely alien here. We just ... don't. I'm American, and Your Country is The Sole reason why we will Not give Up our right to defend ourselves against any Government--And most Especially our own. We Just... Won't. A quick look around the Globe at Nations that Enslave and/or Torture their Citizens because they can, because the peope are unarmed--is really the only modern day reason we need to Never give them up.
- prepend 7y agoCountries have different belief systems and thus are different. The U.K. has a queen, with the best real estate in the country set aside for personal use. While that seems really inefficient to me as a Frenchperson, I understand that British people like it. I’ve categorized this in the category of things that I’ve noticed but am not interested in enough to work toward the explanation, but if I ever learn it I’ll remark “hmm, that’s neat, I never knew that.”
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- mtgx 7y agoThe US also has automatic "papers please" now with the verification of social media accounts.
- noir_lord 7y agoNext up, guns on the cameras, human in the loop is too slow so they wire the guns to the AI directly but then they realise that it would be better if the AI was mobile, after an extensive beta program. Education Droid (ED), v209 (ED-209 for short) is deployed to all high schools nationwide.
- AstralStorm 7y agoI think this is a Judge Dredd reference, is that correct?
- braythwayt 7y agoYou youngsters! It’s a Westworld reference. No, not the television show. The original 1973 Yul Brynner picture.
- mlvljr 7y agoIs it? ED-209 was in Robocop.
- hobos_delight 7y agoED-209 was from the first Robocop.
- noir_lord 7y agoIt was indeed but I figured they where joking. Original RoboCop isn't exactly obscure among geeks around my age.
- Insanity 7y agoThat's like a hack to cover up a fundamental flaw in the system..
- monk_e_boy 7y agoAre gun laws a bug in the system, fixable albeit a hard bug to fix. Or, as I suspect, a design flaw that is impossible to fix. So you have to patch around it.
- mtgx 7y agoIt's not impossible to fix. Australia did it.
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 7y ago1. Gun laws are not the design flaw. The design flaw is a two-party system and allowing politicians to be sponsored by corporations. 2. As Dave Chappelle said: The gun laws will be fixed as soon as non-whites start buying guns en masse.
- amelius 7y agoWhy not put more intelligence into guns. E.g. fingerprint sensors, determine how often/when they are taken out of the house, ... Update: zoning technology could prevent guns from being used at schools.
- oh_sigh 7y agoThe argument would probably be that putting failable electronics in the pipeline of saving your life from a violent person/animal is too risky.
- knob 7y agoAddressing specifically your two points: -fingerprints: because if the system fails, you have no gun. Internal malfunction? Greasy finger(s)? Gloves? Dirt? Dust? People whose fingerprints are really hard to print? - determjne how often/when they are taken out of the house: talking specifically about the USA, that is a gross over-reach of the government (local + federal) via registration. A central database with who has what gun at what time? I'm against it. I hope I can inspire you to look-up some additional information. Responsible gun owners are not a problem. The FBI has statistics on "defensive gun use", reporting that it happens over 250,000 times per year. Compared to what number? 35-40,000 deaths per year involving guns? And of those, 20-30,000 are suicides. Please look up hard-data. Trying to take away guns will not solve the issues society faces. Then why do it?
- acollins1331 7y agoDude, I'm pro gun but to deny that taking away guns wouldn't fix it is dumb. All the other countries that don't have lots of guns have way less gun deaths. Period. People here may not consider taking away all the guns possible or preferable, but it would work if implemented.
- rayiner 7y agoThose other countries had way less homicides before anyone invented gun control.
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- otakucode 7y agoName the last school shooting that took place at a school without surveillance cameras. Can you? I doubt it. School shootings predominantly occur at the most locked-down and oppressive schools in the country. The solution to some adolescents being driven into such intense desperation that they are willing to annihilate themselves just to do some damage and escape is not to squeeze them tighter.
- degski 7y agoThe simplest way to avoid any problems is to lock everybody up, solitary confinement. That's nice and clean and avoids trouble.
- nimbius 7y ago>A mouse click instructed the artificial-intelligence-equipped system to find other images of the woman, and it immediately stitched them into a video narrative of her immediate location, where she had been and where she was going. So, convenient parallel construction at the click of a mouse? >AI is transforming surveillance cameras from passive sentries into active observers that can identify people, suspicious behavior and guns Thats quite a leap from pattern tracking and user-instructed operation. >“It’s almost kind of scary,” Tait said. “It will look at the expressions on people’s faces and their mannerisms and be able to tell if they look violent.” If you read my face as a High School kid, im sure it would flag a majority of the time. I was one of those kids who was bullied and picked on often. Teachers take no action, administrators ignore the problem, and sooner or later the kid who gets smacked or hit or teased every day becomes determined with nothing to lose. I still dont see how more advanced cameras solve the problem of mass shootings in the United States, when regular cameras routinely fail to do anything but record events. No one ever said "well if we only had a better surveillance camera" after a shooting occurred. Its security theater at best, and ignores the real problem. No one shoots up a private boarding school, or a country club, or a gated community so no action will be taken. Wealthy Americans have entirely removed themselves from this problem by constructing a second society, and until they experience mass shootings there isnt likely to be any real improvement.