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> metaprogramming sometimes is easier in Python, sometimes not Now, I've been exposed to more ruby, and more metaprogramming in ruby, than in python - but this

by e12e 7y ago

> metaprogramming sometimes is easier in Python, sometimes not Now, I've been exposed to more ruby, and more metaprogramming in ruby, than in python - but this stil surprises/intrigues me. What kind of metaprogramming do you find easier in python?

pmontra 7y ago
If I'm not wrong I can add a methods like this def m2(): print("nuovo") object.new_method = m2 instead of redefining the class. It's similar to JavaScript. However I don't have a computer at hand now. I can't check the details and what could be done on Ruby.
- d_k_f 7y ago
  True, unfortunately. You can't pass functions around as first class objects, you'll have to use lambdas or procs for that (although even then composition doesn't work like that in Ruby). (No judgement from me on whether that's better/worse/about equal, just confirming.)
- qquark 7y ago
  This may be what you're looking form, to add a method to a single instance, although the syntax is clearly not as smooth: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1887845/add-method-to-an-instanced-object https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1887845/add-method-to-an... OTOH, if your problem is slightly different, I find the syntax to add methods to any class very practical and powerful, with of course the caveat that you can produce a maintainability nightmare if overused: irb(main):001:0> a = 1 => 1 irb(main):002:0> class Integer irb(main):003:1> def hello irb(main):004:2> puts "world" irb(main):005:2> end irb(main):006:1> end => :hello irb(main):007:0> a.hello world => nil
- weaksauce 7y ago
  That’s a pretty shallow view of easier metaprogramming. Ruby allows for many different ways to metaprogram. You can open up any class at any time and create new methods on the class, you can even add a new method directly on an individual instance of a class without changing any other instantiated objects of the same class. I’m just scratching the surface of what’s available wrt metaprogramming in ruby. The ease of metaprogramming in ruby is specifically why rails was easy to write.
- e12e 7y ago
  I suppose in ruby you'd re-open Object and add new_method there... (in part by overriding method_missing, maybe). I wouldn't recommend actually doing that, however. If actually doing this (adding new method to a class) I think it's quite easy to re-open a class in ruby (see sibling comment(s)). I can see adding methods actual instances (only) might be more work in ruby though. What would be the typical use case for a special instance in a given scope, as opposed to a special class in a given scope? Ed: i see qquark's so link address the technical part: define_singleton_method (so no need to open Object to add that...)

by e12e 7y ago

pmontra 7y ago

If I'm not wrong I can add a methods like this def m2(): print("nuovo") object.new_method = m2 instead of redefining the class. It's similar to JavaScript. However I don't have a computer at hand now. I can't check the details and what could be done on Ruby.

d_k_f 7y ago
True, unfortunately. You can't pass functions around as first class objects, you'll have to use lambdas or procs for that (although even then composition doesn't work like that in Ruby). (No judgement from me on whether that's better/worse/about equal, just confirming.)
qquark 7y ago
This may be what you're looking form, to add a method to a single instance, although the syntax is clearly not as smooth: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1887845/add-method-to-an-instanced-object https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1887845/add-method-to-an... OTOH, if your problem is slightly different, I find the syntax to add methods to any class very practical and powerful, with of course the caveat that you can produce a maintainability nightmare if overused: irb(main):001:0> a = 1 => 1 irb(main):002:0> class Integer irb(main):003:1> def hello irb(main):004:2> puts "world" irb(main):005:2> end irb(main):006:1> end => :hello irb(main):007:0> a.hello world => nil
weaksauce 7y ago
That’s a pretty shallow view of easier metaprogramming. Ruby allows for many different ways to metaprogram. You can open up any class at any time and create new methods on the class, you can even add a new method directly on an individual instance of a class without changing any other instantiated objects of the same class. I’m just scratching the surface of what’s available wrt metaprogramming in ruby. The ease of metaprogramming in ruby is specifically why rails was easy to write.
e12e 7y ago
I suppose in ruby you'd re-open Object and add new_method there... (in part by overriding method_missing, maybe). I wouldn't recommend actually doing that, however. If actually doing this (adding new method to a class) I think it's quite easy to re-open a class in ruby (see sibling comment(s)). I can see adding methods actual instances (only) might be more work in ruby though. What would be the typical use case for a special instance in a given scope, as opposed to a special class in a given scope? Ed: i see qquark's so link address the technical part: define_singleton_method (so no need to open Object to add that...)