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I don't think being good bureaucrats is what any intelligent, hardworking people should aim towards. I think asian culture has some great tenets, hard work bein

I don't think being good bureaucrats is what any intelligent, hardworking people should aim towards. I think asian culture has some great tenets, hard work being the one i like the most. People should take the best things out of the different cultures. Too much deference to authority is not a good thing (in my opinion the weakest part of asian culture).

SapporoChris 7y ago
Not enough deference to authority leads to a lot of unnecessary conflict. (especially with police) I've seen so many stories where even if the police arguable cross the line, events usually start with the civilian with an attitude. I am all for civil disobedience, but it has to be done properly. Lastly, where did you pull out bureaucrat from the previous comment? Non sequitur.
- notoriousjpg 7y ago
  > I am all for civil disobedience, but it has to be done properly. I suspect the definition of properly looks very different when you're a victim, perpetrator, or a (privileged) bystander. Let's march politely down the street with the rest of my college educated peers doesn't exist for everyone unfortunately.
- TheCoelacanth 7y ago
  You say it's caused by inappropriate lack of deference to police. I say it's caused by an inappropriate expectation of deference by police. Their motto is "protect and serve", not "rule with an iron fist". Police need to maintain discipline and composure regardless of the attitude from people that they are interacting with or they are not worthy of the power that they have been entrusted with.
notoriousjpg 7y ago
> Too much deference to authority is not a good thing (in my opinion the weakest part of asian culture). Yes, the homogeneous entity of Asia and its culture. How do you even have a productive conversation about this topic when people are this ham fisted and uninformed? Have you actually been to Asia? Try traveling there and see if you still think there's "too much deference to authority". If anything the opposite is closer to being true, this stereotype is a western cliche. And yes, I'm Asian and grew up in "Asia".
- 420codebro 7y ago
  While Asians may be a lot of things, the subservient to power meme is kinda weak. My first thought is the Vietnamese fighting the French and then the Americans, even in the face of overwhelming losses.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  There are strong Confucian cultures in Korea, Japan, and to a lesser extent (ironically enough) China. In those countries, you can really feel the authority deference. Samsung especially has trouble with this when opening branch R&D offices in the USA. You really have to work in these countries to feel it though, just visiting isn’t good enough. When I was working tech in China, expats had lots of war stories about working in japan or Korea, which sounded a lot less appealing than working in China (though working for an American company, the culture was necessarily mixed). I’m sure SE Asia and South Asia/India would be fairly different in many respects.
  - trhway 7y ago
    >to a lesser extent (ironically enough) China i heard people attribute that to Mao who explicitly encouraged the younger generation to challenge established authority (which was a way to turn and use them against the rest of the state and the Party power who became critical of Mao blaming him for the failures and disasters of the Great Leap Forward) as part of the Cultural Revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#Red_Guards_and_the_destruction_of_the_%22Four_Olds%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#Red_Guards... "At the Red Guard rallies, Lin Biao also called for the destruction of the "Four Olds"; namely, old customs, culture, habits, and ideas.".
    - chris11 7y ago
      The Cultural Revolution was highly anti intellectual. Academics and artists were imprisoned, or even killed. In 1956 Mao did start the Hundred Flowers Campaign, which encouraged criticizing the government. But that was followed in 1957 by a campaign targeting people who had the wrong opinions.
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djshsisbdkx 7y ago
“Too much deference to authority is not a good thing (in my opinion the weakest part of asian culture).” That’s pretty naive. Western politicians start wars all the time when their rating are low because we’re so deferent to authority.
billions 7y ago
Perhaps religious role models like Jesus Christ and the Buddha play a subliminal factor in disobedience, risk taking, etc
tathougies 7y ago
Right hong kong and Taiwan and the Indian independence movement suffer(ed) from too much deference to authority

SapporoChris 7y ago

Not enough deference to authority leads to a lot of unnecessary conflict. (especially with police) I've seen so many stories where even if the police arguable cross the line, events usually start with the civilian with an attitude. I am all for civil disobedience, but it has to be done properly. Lastly, where did you pull out bureaucrat from the previous comment? Non sequitur.

notoriousjpg 7y ago
> I am all for civil disobedience, but it has to be done properly. I suspect the definition of properly looks very different when you're a victim, perpetrator, or a (privileged) bystander. Let's march politely down the street with the rest of my college educated peers doesn't exist for everyone unfortunately.
TheCoelacanth 7y ago
You say it's caused by inappropriate lack of deference to police. I say it's caused by an inappropriate expectation of deference by police. Their motto is "protect and serve", not "rule with an iron fist". Police need to maintain discipline and composure regardless of the attitude from people that they are interacting with or they are not worthy of the power that they have been entrusted with.

notoriousjpg 7y ago

> Too much deference to authority is not a good thing (in my opinion the weakest part of asian culture). Yes, the homogeneous entity of Asia and its culture. How do you even have a productive conversation about this topic when people are this ham fisted and uninformed? Have you actually been to Asia? Try traveling there and see if you still think there's "too much deference to authority". If anything the opposite is closer to being true, this stereotype is a western cliche. And yes, I'm Asian and grew up in "Asia".

420codebro 7y ago
While Asians may be a lot of things, the subservient to power meme is kinda weak. My first thought is the Vietnamese fighting the French and then the Americans, even in the face of overwhelming losses.
seanmcdirmid 7y ago
There are strong Confucian cultures in Korea, Japan, and to a lesser extent (ironically enough) China. In those countries, you can really feel the authority deference. Samsung especially has trouble with this when opening branch R&D offices in the USA. You really have to work in these countries to feel it though, just visiting isn’t good enough. When I was working tech in China, expats had lots of war stories about working in japan or Korea, which sounded a lot less appealing than working in China (though working for an American company, the culture was necessarily mixed). I’m sure SE Asia and South Asia/India would be fairly different in many respects.
- trhway 7y ago
  >to a lesser extent (ironically enough) China i heard people attribute that to Mao who explicitly encouraged the younger generation to challenge established authority (which was a way to turn and use them against the rest of the state and the Party power who became critical of Mao blaming him for the failures and disasters of the Great Leap Forward) as part of the Cultural Revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#Red_Guards_and_the_destruction_of_the_%22Four_Olds%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#Red_Guards... "At the Red Guard rallies, Lin Biao also called for the destruction of the "Four Olds"; namely, old customs, culture, habits, and ideas.".
  - chris11 7y ago
    The Cultural Revolution was highly anti intellectual. Academics and artists were imprisoned, or even killed. In 1956 Mao did start the Hundred Flowers Campaign, which encouraged criticizing the government. But that was followed in 1957 by a campaign targeting people who had the wrong opinions.
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djshsisbdkx 7y ago

“Too much deference to authority is not a good thing (in my opinion the weakest part of asian culture).” That’s pretty naive. Western politicians start wars all the time when their rating are low because we’re so deferent to authority.

billions 7y ago

Perhaps religious role models like Jesus Christ and the Buddha play a subliminal factor in disobedience, risk taking, etc

tathougies 7y ago

Right hong kong and Taiwan and the Indian independence movement suffer(ed) from too much deference to authority