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Five demands, not one less. 五大訴求，缺一不可。

ackbar03 7y ago
https://youtu.be/9bAoq7k3tZ0 https://youtu.be/9bAoq7k3tZ0 No seriously, these demands are a joke and not constructive. If anything it's just being used as an excuse to cause more chaos. I'm trying to keep this comment as a logical opinion since I know hn isn't a place for flamed political views
- deugtniet 7y ago
  If you say something is a joke, and post an opinion through a music video. You cannot then claim your opinion is logical. Protestors opinions cannot be reduced to a joke without any explanation.
- darkcha0s 7y ago
  Without any context, this comment actually just reads like a pile of garbage.
- artsyca 7y ago
  It's true the protesters have adopted an equally rigid stance, both sides will have to somewhat soften, but history will prove that freedom reigns
stuaxo 7y ago
Can someone translate / explain this ?
- oskarth 7y ago
  五大訴求，缺一不可。 Five big demands, can’t do without any of them. 五 5 大 big 訴求 demands 缺一不可 fixed expression “none is dispensable” (缺 lack 一 one 不 no 可 can/possible) The five demand in question are the ones there is broad consensus on, see other threads.
- anthony_doan 7y ago
  Explanation part: The Hong Kong protestors have five demands. According to this subreddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_demands_of_the_protest/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_d...) the five demands are: 1. Full withdrawal of the extradition bill 徹底撤回送中修例 2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 成立獨立調查委員會追究警隊濫暴 3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 取消暴動定性 4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 撤銷對今為所有反送中抗爭者控罪 5. Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive 以行政命令解散立法會立即實行雙真普選
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Can someone translate / explain [five demands, not one less]? From the article: “Apart from the formal withdrawal of the legislation, the protesters have asked for the government to set up a commission of inquiry to investigate police conduct in tackling the protests, grant amnesty to those who have been arrested, stop characterising the protests as riots, and restart the city’s stalled political reform process.” All that said, this is just a slogan. Different protesters put weight on different elements of this menu. Each concession takes people off the street. Given how reasonable many of the demands are, it makes sense for someone to be an adult in the room to Xi’s pettiness.
  - bjourne 7y ago
    What is the logic in demanding a general amnesty? There are lots of videos showing protesters rioting, throwing firebombs and the police and so on.
  - ackbar03 7y ago
    Third and Fourth are ridiculous. I'm sorry but you don't set things on fire on the streets, bite people's finger off, throw petrol bombs, tie up people at the airport and say hey guys please grant amnesty, this wasn't a riot. Please grow up and take responsibility. If you choose to make those actions you take the consequences for them. Fifth, I can understand and dialogue can start and bickering in legislation, whatever, depending on definition this is achievable, but if you expect a democracy overnight then I have a strong urge to post a link to a music video. Hense, as per my comments below, demanding all five demands to be satisfied is not constructive and to some degree immature.
    - indymike 7y ago
      It is not an amnesty. It is a necessary condition for a return to peace. There is zero incentive to stop for the protesters if they are going to be jailed for protesting. The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle.
      - poukofiru 7y ago
- JackeJR 7y ago
  it directly translates to "5 requests, not 1 is missable". What it means is that the 5 requests of the protestors are non-negotiable.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  1. Full withdrawal of the extradition bill 2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 5. Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive from https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_demands_of_the_protest/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_d... Another thread discussing the demands, though I'm sure there's more on that sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cqnxh9/the_5_demands_and_the_main_power_of_the_protestors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cqnxh9/the_5_dema...
thisrod 7y ago
It's referring to the manifesto of the protesters. There's the usual boilerplate about releasing arrested demonstrators, arresting the cops who bashed them up, and sacking the government. There are two big demands. The first is withdrawing this bill, which has reportedly been granted. That's a big deal. The communists have let the "terrorists" win. The second demand is Australian quality democracy in Hong Kong. If they get that, it will be a massive, world historical deal. At least everyone now has an excuse to stop throwing Molotov cocktails.
antpls 7y ago
For comparison, the Yellow Vests movement in France obtained basically none of their demands after months of protests. Some demands were partially implemented by the government, but I can't think of any demand that has been effectively fully approved and implemented.
- poukofiru 7y ago
  I’m surprised it’s still going on! With how the English language media is reporting, I would have thought the Yellow Vest protests are over.
  - hadrien01 7y ago
    It's mostly over.
- nolok 7y ago
  For comparison the yellow vest represented not even a percent of the population during the biggest event, and barely a few thousands most of the time in a country of almost 70 millions. They didn’t represent the majority at all and while Macron approval rating may seem low at just above 30% it’s still the highest rated party leader left or right wing. It’s a long going protest of a vocal minority (which doesn’t say anything about them being right or wrong, but the government cannot completely change its stance because a small minority blocks the streets and ask for it. At their highest the HK protest had like half the population in the street.
  - mistermann 7y ago
    > For comparison the yellow vest represented not even a percent of the population during the biggest event I've always wondered about public support, is this 1% based on substantial polling?
s_Hogg 7y ago
I really love the way the first part of this sounds when spoken. Amazing how handy this family of languages is for sloganeering.

https://youtu.be/9bAoq7k3tZ0 https://youtu.be/9bAoq7k3tZ0 No seriously, these demands are a joke and not constructive. If anything it's just being used as an excuse to cause more chaos. I'm trying to keep this comment as a logical opinion since I know hn isn't a place for flamed political views

deugtniet 7y ago
If you say something is a joke, and post an opinion through a music video. You cannot then claim your opinion is logical. Protestors opinions cannot be reduced to a joke without any explanation.
darkcha0s 7y ago
Without any context, this comment actually just reads like a pile of garbage.
artsyca 7y ago
It's true the protesters have adopted an equally rigid stance, both sides will have to somewhat soften, but history will prove that freedom reigns

stuaxo 7y ago

Can someone translate / explain this ?

oskarth 7y ago
五大訴求，缺一不可。 Five big demands, can’t do without any of them. 五 5 大 big 訴求 demands 缺一不可 fixed expression “none is dispensable” (缺 lack 一 one 不 no 可 can/possible) The five demand in question are the ones there is broad consensus on, see other threads.
anthony_doan 7y ago
Explanation part: The Hong Kong protestors have five demands. According to this subreddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_demands_of_the_protest/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_d...) the five demands are: 1. Full withdrawal of the extradition bill 徹底撤回送中修例 2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 成立獨立調查委員會追究警隊濫暴 3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 取消暴動定性 4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 撤銷對今為所有反送中抗爭者控罪 5. Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive 以行政命令解散立法會立即實行雙真普選
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Can someone translate / explain [five demands, not one less]? From the article: “Apart from the formal withdrawal of the legislation, the protesters have asked for the government to set up a commission of inquiry to investigate police conduct in tackling the protests, grant amnesty to those who have been arrested, stop characterising the protests as riots, and restart the city’s stalled political reform process.” All that said, this is just a slogan. Different protesters put weight on different elements of this menu. Each concession takes people off the street. Given how reasonable many of the demands are, it makes sense for someone to be an adult in the room to Xi’s pettiness.
- bjourne 7y ago
  What is the logic in demanding a general amnesty? There are lots of videos showing protesters rioting, throwing firebombs and the police and so on.
- ackbar03 7y ago
  Third and Fourth are ridiculous. I'm sorry but you don't set things on fire on the streets, bite people's finger off, throw petrol bombs, tie up people at the airport and say hey guys please grant amnesty, this wasn't a riot. Please grow up and take responsibility. If you choose to make those actions you take the consequences for them. Fifth, I can understand and dialogue can start and bickering in legislation, whatever, depending on definition this is achievable, but if you expect a democracy overnight then I have a strong urge to post a link to a music video. Hense, as per my comments below, demanding all five demands to be satisfied is not constructive and to some degree immature.
  - indymike 7y ago
    It is not an amnesty. It is a necessary condition for a return to peace. There is zero incentive to stop for the protesters if they are going to be jailed for protesting. The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle.
    - poukofiru 7y ago
JackeJR 7y ago
it directly translates to "5 requests, not 1 is missable". What it means is that the 5 requests of the protestors are non-negotiable.
PavlovsCat 7y ago
1. Full withdrawal of the extradition bill 2. A commission of inquiry into alleged police brutality 3. Retracting the classification of protesters as “rioters” 4. Amnesty for arrested protesters 5. Dual universal suffrage, meaning for both the Legislative Council and the Chief Executive from https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_demands_of_the_protest/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czhs4q/the_five_d... Another thread discussing the demands, though I'm sure there's more on that sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cqnxh9/the_5_demands_and_the_main_power_of_the_protestors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cqnxh9/the_5_dema...

thisrod 7y ago

It's referring to the manifesto of the protesters. There's the usual boilerplate about releasing arrested demonstrators, arresting the cops who bashed them up, and sacking the government. There are two big demands. The first is withdrawing this bill, which has reportedly been granted. That's a big deal. The communists have let the "terrorists" win. The second demand is Australian quality democracy in Hong Kong. If they get that, it will be a massive, world historical deal. At least everyone now has an excuse to stop throwing Molotov cocktails.

antpls 7y ago

For comparison, the Yellow Vests movement in France obtained basically none of their demands after months of protests. Some demands were partially implemented by the government, but I can't think of any demand that has been effectively fully approved and implemented.

poukofiru 7y ago
I’m surprised it’s still going on! With how the English language media is reporting, I would have thought the Yellow Vest protests are over.
- hadrien01 7y ago
  It's mostly over.
nolok 7y ago
For comparison the yellow vest represented not even a percent of the population during the biggest event, and barely a few thousands most of the time in a country of almost 70 millions. They didn’t represent the majority at all and while Macron approval rating may seem low at just above 30% it’s still the highest rated party leader left or right wing. It’s a long going protest of a vocal minority (which doesn’t say anything about them being right or wrong, but the government cannot completely change its stance because a small minority blocks the streets and ask for it. At their highest the HK protest had like half the population in the street.
- mistermann 7y ago
  > For comparison the yellow vest represented not even a percent of the population during the biggest event I've always wondered about public support, is this 1% based on substantial polling?

s_Hogg 7y ago

I really love the way the first part of this sounds when spoken. Amazing how handy this family of languages is for sloganeering.