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These "NIMBY" people always make me laught. if you dont want to have a ton of traffic dont buy a house on a major road. There is a street on the subdivision i

These "NIMBY" people always make me laught. if you dont want to have a ton of traffic dont buy a house on a major road. There is a street on the subdivision i live in with the same issue. it is the main entry point to the subdivision. people bought houses there, then fought the city for years over traffic? they put up stop signs, speed bumps, etc. they wanted the lower house prices associated with living on main roads, but then tried to redirect traffic elsewhere?

human20190310 7y ago
The issue is that traffic apps turned non-main roads into main roads, not that people bought on main roads then tried to block them. NIMBYism can be a problem, but it's still important to characterize the issues at hand accurately.
- XaspR8d 7y ago
  Well the issue behind that issue IMO is that so many US streets can be used as main roads. They were built overly-spaciously with only the interests of car drivers in mind.
SkyBelow 7y ago
>they wanted the lower house prices associated with living on main roads, but then tried to redirect traffic elsewhere? If it works, why not? Buy a lower priced house due to traffic. Get politicians to change traffic. Sell house at higher value now that traffic conditions or better (or otherwise enjoy the now higher valued house). Are we to suggest that it is wrong to encourage politicians to act in a way that benefits an individual?
danw1979 7y ago
I think the point is that residents of formerly quiet side streets are not happy about living on a Waze-induced thoroughfare... and understandably so, in my opinion.
- cblades 7y ago
  I could understand not being happy about it, but I don't understand the desire to make google or waze be at fault here. Those drivers are ultimately responsible for where they drive, and in any case, the way they are using the roads is legal. It would be irresponsible and make their respective apps uncompetitive if they arbitrarily chose to not give me the best route to my destination.
noxToken 7y ago
>if you dont want to have a ton of traffic dont buy a house on a major road. You're not wrong, but Waze directs traffic down roads that aren't considered main thoroughfares. That's part of the issue. There are paths to work that I would have never imagined had I not used Waze, and plenty of those routes take me through quiet neighborhoods. A good example is the shunting yard I encounter. Most of the time, trains are short enough that if they stop, they don't block the crossing. There is a short way through a neighborhood that adds a couple of minutes to your commute (in either direction) that dumps you out on a highway just on the other side. There are also two longer routes (one for north, one for south) that goes around neighborhoods but adds 10-20 minutes to your drive time. I wouldn't call the short route a main nor major road, but I'm sure the residents who bought those houses more than a few years ago didn't know that the uptick in rail usage would cause much more activity on their street. You can even cut deeper into the neighborhood to save minutes by circumventing the line of cars. On a related note, I stopped using Waze after watching someone roll through about 5 stop signs. The driver didn't hit anything, but that moment made me realize that I was part of a neighborhood nuisance that nobody asked for.
- ambicapter 7y ago
  What does using Waze have to do with ignoring road signage?
  - pfranz 7y ago
    I'm pretty confident Waze routes people not by posted speed limits, but by average driving habits and traffic speeds. I do think Waze users are self-selecting. People that are willing to take "short cuts" choose Waze. I often ignore Waze's suggestions and have had people in the car with me comment on the extra turns and backroads. There's a certain type of driver who prefers to mostly "tune out" and take the most direct route versus someone who wants to get there with the quickest ETA even if that means a more complex route.
    - lostsock 7y ago
      I'd be amazed if this is true. Especially as Waze has a GPS based speedometer built in that goes red if you go over the speed limit. I image it looks at a combination of speed limit, current traffic and then if the historical data is faster than the speed limit it discards the historical data.
kristopolous 7y ago
It's worse than that in LA. These people live in an urban center, the middle of a city with millions of people, and expect it to behave like some austere countryside in New Hampshire. If that's what they want, move. Cities aren't for antisocial shutins. Why are they here? Go get a bunch of land at a great price in the beautiful quiet countryside. Really, I wish them the best. Melrose and La Brea isn't going to be a good fit, enjoy time elsewhere.
- ryanmarsh 7y ago
  This is literally why people (like me) keep buying further and further out into the suburbs. If you want quiet and nobody driving down your street then you need to live on a dead end or cul de sac somewhere way out on the edge of said metropolis.
sokoloff 7y ago
Not much different from people buying cheap[er] houses near an airport and then complaining about airplane noise (and sometimes trying to get the airport to close).
- pfranz 7y ago
  I think it is. A lot of LA was built out 100 years ago. Many of these people bought their house 20+ years ago. Waze started causing problems within the last 10 years and the marginal value of using these roads can be debated. I can't imagine these back roads relieving 405 traffic by any reasonable amount.

human20190310 7y ago

The issue is that traffic apps turned non-main roads into main roads, not that people bought on main roads then tried to block them. NIMBYism can be a problem, but it's still important to characterize the issues at hand accurately.

XaspR8d 7y ago
Well the issue behind that issue IMO is that so many US streets can be used as main roads. They were built overly-spaciously with only the interests of car drivers in mind.

SkyBelow 7y ago

>they wanted the lower house prices associated with living on main roads, but then tried to redirect traffic elsewhere? If it works, why not? Buy a lower priced house due to traffic. Get politicians to change traffic. Sell house at higher value now that traffic conditions or better (or otherwise enjoy the now higher valued house). Are we to suggest that it is wrong to encourage politicians to act in a way that benefits an individual?

danw1979 7y ago

I think the point is that residents of formerly quiet side streets are not happy about living on a Waze-induced thoroughfare... and understandably so, in my opinion.

cblades 7y ago
I could understand not being happy about it, but I don't understand the desire to make google or waze be at fault here. Those drivers are ultimately responsible for where they drive, and in any case, the way they are using the roads is legal. It would be irresponsible and make their respective apps uncompetitive if they arbitrarily chose to not give me the best route to my destination.

noxToken 7y ago

>if you dont want to have a ton of traffic dont buy a house on a major road. You're not wrong, but Waze directs traffic down roads that aren't considered main thoroughfares. That's part of the issue. There are paths to work that I would have never imagined had I not used Waze, and plenty of those routes take me through quiet neighborhoods. A good example is the shunting yard I encounter. Most of the time, trains are short enough that if they stop, they don't block the crossing. There is a short way through a neighborhood that adds a couple of minutes to your commute (in either direction) that dumps you out on a highway just on the other side. There are also two longer routes (one for north, one for south) that goes around neighborhoods but adds 10-20 minutes to your drive time. I wouldn't call the short route a main nor major road, but I'm sure the residents who bought those houses more than a few years ago didn't know that the uptick in rail usage would cause much more activity on their street. You can even cut deeper into the neighborhood to save minutes by circumventing the line of cars. On a related note, I stopped using Waze after watching someone roll through about 5 stop signs. The driver didn't hit anything, but that moment made me realize that I was part of a neighborhood nuisance that nobody asked for.

ambicapter 7y ago
What does using Waze have to do with ignoring road signage?
- pfranz 7y ago
  I'm pretty confident Waze routes people not by posted speed limits, but by average driving habits and traffic speeds. I do think Waze users are self-selecting. People that are willing to take "short cuts" choose Waze. I often ignore Waze's suggestions and have had people in the car with me comment on the extra turns and backroads. There's a certain type of driver who prefers to mostly "tune out" and take the most direct route versus someone who wants to get there with the quickest ETA even if that means a more complex route.
  - lostsock 7y ago
    I'd be amazed if this is true. Especially as Waze has a GPS based speedometer built in that goes red if you go over the speed limit. I image it looks at a combination of speed limit, current traffic and then if the historical data is faster than the speed limit it discards the historical data.

kristopolous 7y ago

It's worse than that in LA. These people live in an urban center, the middle of a city with millions of people, and expect it to behave like some austere countryside in New Hampshire. If that's what they want, move. Cities aren't for antisocial shutins. Why are they here? Go get a bunch of land at a great price in the beautiful quiet countryside. Really, I wish them the best. Melrose and La Brea isn't going to be a good fit, enjoy time elsewhere.

ryanmarsh 7y ago
This is literally why people (like me) keep buying further and further out into the suburbs. If you want quiet and nobody driving down your street then you need to live on a dead end or cul de sac somewhere way out on the edge of said metropolis.

sokoloff 7y ago

Not much different from people buying cheap[er] houses near an airport and then complaining about airplane noise (and sometimes trying to get the airport to close).

pfranz 7y ago
I think it is. A lot of LA was built out 100 years ago. Many of these people bought their house 20+ years ago. Waze started causing problems within the last 10 years and the marginal value of using these roads can be debated. I can't imagine these back roads relieving 405 traffic by any reasonable amount.