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Here is my proposal for removing downvotes but people do not like it: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252338/downvote-system-change-proposal https://me

Here is my proposal for removing downvotes but people do not like it: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252338/downvote-system-change-proposal https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252338/downvote-sys...

sergiotapia 7y ago
The responses are the reason I stopped using the site in 2013. The ego on these schnooks lol
mholt 7y ago
That's ironic
- baud147258 7y ago
  In case of post on meta, the downvotes means "I disagree with this proposal", not that the question isn't good.
  - Avamander 7y ago
    Disagreement doesn't mean they're right about the proposal though.
  - notatoad 7y ago
    Which is kind of a perfect example of how downvotes are a bad interface - what they mean is context-sensitive, and needs to be explained. If meta had an explicit "disagree" flag, instead of an obtuse "downvote" that users have to intuit the meaning of, it wouldn't have to be explained in a HN comment.
- chucksmash 7y ago
  Not as ironic as you'd think[1]. [1]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/47635 https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/47635
einpoklum 7y ago
Here is a discussion of requiring leaving feedback when downvoting: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436
mLuby 7y ago
I found the first answer insightful: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252340/1862046 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252340/1862046 Roughly, it seems downvotes are used by people to indicate not enough effort has gone into the question (easily researched, duplicate question, confusing/poor english, etc). So either all unflagged questions is valid and should be nurtured into clear, well-written queries or pointed to existing questions, or questions are to be judged* "good-faith" or "lazy" by users and the latter receive downvotes. *This judgement is fixed in time; the question is not necessarily re-judged if improvements are made.
- aflag 7y ago
  What's the problem with being lazy? If you are even lazier, just don't answer. If it's a duplicate, just link it to the delicate question. Having useless questions shouldn't be a problem while searching for answers.
  - waisbrot 7y ago
    The problem is that just looking through the queue of unanswered questions takes effort. If I have a list of good, honestly-asked questions, I'm willing to look for a few that I know how to answer and answer them. If I have a vast pile of "plz do this homework for me [transcribed question with errors or link to a private PDF]" then I just won't use Stack Overflow.
    - mLuby 7y ago
      That's what flagging is for. Why don't people flag more?
    - aflag 7y ago
      All SO tags I've ever followed the number of people answering is greater than the people asking, so that's not really an issue, I think. Although, maybe, it felt that way due to down voting. The case you described is easy to identify and you can just leave a comment, which will be useful to both: other people answering questions and the person asking. Different from the down vote.
galaxyLogic 7y ago
Why don't people like it? Because SO is full of people who just love to down-vote. Your proposal would take power away from them
- Aeolun 7y ago
  Lets build a toxic community!

sergiotapia 7y ago

The responses are the reason I stopped using the site in 2013. The ego on these schnooks lol

mholt 7y ago

That's ironic

baud147258 7y ago
In case of post on meta, the downvotes means "I disagree with this proposal", not that the question isn't good.
- Avamander 7y ago
  Disagreement doesn't mean they're right about the proposal though.
- notatoad 7y ago
  Which is kind of a perfect example of how downvotes are a bad interface - what they mean is context-sensitive, and needs to be explained. If meta had an explicit "disagree" flag, instead of an obtuse "downvote" that users have to intuit the meaning of, it wouldn't have to be explained in a HN comment.
chucksmash 7y ago
Not as ironic as you'd think[1]. [1]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/47635 https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/47635

einpoklum 7y ago

Here is a discussion of requiring leaving feedback when downvoting: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357436

mLuby 7y ago

I found the first answer insightful: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252340/1862046 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252340/1862046 Roughly, it seems downvotes are used by people to indicate not enough effort has gone into the question (easily researched, duplicate question, confusing/poor english, etc). So either all unflagged questions is valid and should be nurtured into clear, well-written queries or pointed to existing questions, or questions are to be judged* "good-faith" or "lazy" by users and the latter receive downvotes. *This judgement is fixed in time; the question is not necessarily re-judged if improvements are made.

aflag 7y ago
What's the problem with being lazy? If you are even lazier, just don't answer. If it's a duplicate, just link it to the delicate question. Having useless questions shouldn't be a problem while searching for answers.
- waisbrot 7y ago
  The problem is that just looking through the queue of unanswered questions takes effort. If I have a list of good, honestly-asked questions, I'm willing to look for a few that I know how to answer and answer them. If I have a vast pile of "plz do this homework for me [transcribed question with errors or link to a private PDF]" then I just won't use Stack Overflow.
  - mLuby 7y ago
    That's what flagging is for. Why don't people flag more?
  - aflag 7y ago
    All SO tags I've ever followed the number of people answering is greater than the people asking, so that's not really an issue, I think. Although, maybe, it felt that way due to down voting. The case you described is easy to identify and you can just leave a comment, which will be useful to both: other people answering questions and the person asking. Different from the down vote.

galaxyLogic 7y ago

Why don't people like it? Because SO is full of people who just love to down-vote. Your proposal would take power away from them

Aeolun 7y ago
Lets build a toxic community!