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Vaping has much more history in Asia and Europe and seems to be without cases like this. The products from the cigarette industry aren't very prevalent in those

Vaping has much more history in Asia and Europe and seems to be without cases like this. The products from the cigarette industry aren't very prevalent in those contintents and also not vaping of THC and other such fluids. That plus the limited geography and timeframe seems to point only to contaimated juice.

userbinator 7y ago
Yes, a good investigation would be to analyse what all of these people vaped, and if they all came from a common source.
- deleted 7y ago
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- nannal 7y ago
  I'm 90% sure they just gave right up when they figured they'd vaped. what else do they have in common, that's what I'd like to know, maybe they'd eaten that day, or consumed water.
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    I don't think that is how the CDC works...
- reaperducer 7y ago
  Which is exactly what's happening at this moment.
slovenlyrobot 7y ago
I've been vaping for about 10 years and would be happy to see tighter regulation of juices. Some of the stuff available is scary, and the purity is always up for question. There simply isn't any framework for this kind of thing yet. It's not all that surprising people are getting injured
- dmix 7y ago
  I'm fine with this as a long time vape user as well. Or at least have a food safety type agency looking at the products and fining bad actors to create disincentives for mislabelling and poor/unhealthy ingredients. Of course many people are rushing to ban it before we fully understand it and like any controversial topic FUD is everywhere. But that doesn't mean careful small steps cant be made today. Vaping vials of THC in Long Island, NY, as what happened in this article, isn't something sold through legal channels AFAIK though so I'm not sure how much an agency could help with this specific problem (other than to highlight them). Everyone loves to bash Juul (which is a garbage product I'd never touch) and the big tobacco company which owns it, but there's tons of small mom-and-pop style juice makers, shops, and device manufacturers which run a big part of the Vaping industry. These are the ones who will be impacted the most by the policies so we should keep them in mind when designing policy and not let Juul and their lobbyists write the legislation, in response to Juuls own bad behaviour (as always seems to happen), so we only end up with Juul type big companies.
  - mumblemumble 7y ago
    > Or at least have a food safety type agency looking at the products and fining bad actors to create disincentives for mislabelling and poor/unhealthy ingredients. That seems like a tricky needle to thread, though. How do you formulate a rubric that somehow places nicotine on the "fine to put into consumer products" bucket, while placing everything else that might hurt you in the "dangerous and should be banned" bucket?
    - AmericanChopper 7y ago
      The purpose of the government is not to ban everything that might hurt you. It’s simply made the decision that smoking is so harmful that it should be regulated. Just about anything can be harmful depending on how you consume it. Eat too much sugar? You’ll become obese. Eat no sugar at all, you’ll die. Nicotine by itself is not particularly harmful. It can have acute effects if you overdose on it, but it doesn’t cause cancer. The harmful part of cigarettes is all the burnt plant matter you’re inhaling. You don’t see anybody discussing the risks of nicotine patches or gum. I used vaping to quit smoking (and then eventually quit vaping). I’m sure vaping is better for me than smoking, and I’m sure not vaping is better for me than vaping. I’m all for safety regulations and more research to be done. But regulating or taxing the hell out of it just because it looks like smoking seems incredibly short sighted to me. Id want any regulation to be based on sound safety practices, and a legitimate understanding of the health affects.
reaperducer 7y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "limited geography." The cases cited in the article cover nearly 3,000 miles from Utah to Illinois to New York. You can make excuses and dismiss what's happening any way you want, but citing geography undermines your argument.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > I'm not sure what you mean by "limited geography." The cases cited in the article cover nearly 3,000 miles from Utah to Illinois to New York. This is not an impressive response to >> Vaping has much more history in Asia and Europe and seems to be without cases like this.
- US-only 7y ago
  Uh, did you not notice that you've only managed to describe geographic locations limited to within United States borders. Borders constrained by trade agreements, and availability dictated by import/export and interstate trading jurisdictions for regulated psychoactive substances like nicotine and THC?
jijji 7y ago
yes thats because this article isnt about vaping nicotine/vg/pg, its about vaping thc/mineral oil (or any oil) which causes inflammation/damage to the lungs+death
phillipseamore 7y ago
So in NY everything seems to point to one juice with THC and very high levels of vitamin E acetate. https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vaping.htm https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vap...

userbinator 7y ago

Yes, a good investigation would be to analyse what all of these people vaped, and if they all came from a common source.

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nannal 7y ago
I'm 90% sure they just gave right up when they figured they'd vaped. what else do they have in common, that's what I'd like to know, maybe they'd eaten that day, or consumed water.
- shkkmo 7y ago
  I don't think that is how the CDC works...
reaperducer 7y ago
Which is exactly what's happening at this moment.

slovenlyrobot 7y ago

I've been vaping for about 10 years and would be happy to see tighter regulation of juices. Some of the stuff available is scary, and the purity is always up for question. There simply isn't any framework for this kind of thing yet. It's not all that surprising people are getting injured

dmix 7y ago
I'm fine with this as a long time vape user as well. Or at least have a food safety type agency looking at the products and fining bad actors to create disincentives for mislabelling and poor/unhealthy ingredients. Of course many people are rushing to ban it before we fully understand it and like any controversial topic FUD is everywhere. But that doesn't mean careful small steps cant be made today. Vaping vials of THC in Long Island, NY, as what happened in this article, isn't something sold through legal channels AFAIK though so I'm not sure how much an agency could help with this specific problem (other than to highlight them). Everyone loves to bash Juul (which is a garbage product I'd never touch) and the big tobacco company which owns it, but there's tons of small mom-and-pop style juice makers, shops, and device manufacturers which run a big part of the Vaping industry. These are the ones who will be impacted the most by the policies so we should keep them in mind when designing policy and not let Juul and their lobbyists write the legislation, in response to Juuls own bad behaviour (as always seems to happen), so we only end up with Juul type big companies.
- mumblemumble 7y ago
  > Or at least have a food safety type agency looking at the products and fining bad actors to create disincentives for mislabelling and poor/unhealthy ingredients. That seems like a tricky needle to thread, though. How do you formulate a rubric that somehow places nicotine on the "fine to put into consumer products" bucket, while placing everything else that might hurt you in the "dangerous and should be banned" bucket?
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    The purpose of the government is not to ban everything that might hurt you. It’s simply made the decision that smoking is so harmful that it should be regulated. Just about anything can be harmful depending on how you consume it. Eat too much sugar? You’ll become obese. Eat no sugar at all, you’ll die. Nicotine by itself is not particularly harmful. It can have acute effects if you overdose on it, but it doesn’t cause cancer. The harmful part of cigarettes is all the burnt plant matter you’re inhaling. You don’t see anybody discussing the risks of nicotine patches or gum. I used vaping to quit smoking (and then eventually quit vaping). I’m sure vaping is better for me than smoking, and I’m sure not vaping is better for me than vaping. I’m all for safety regulations and more research to be done. But regulating or taxing the hell out of it just because it looks like smoking seems incredibly short sighted to me. Id want any regulation to be based on sound safety practices, and a legitimate understanding of the health affects.

reaperducer 7y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by "limited geography." The cases cited in the article cover nearly 3,000 miles from Utah to Illinois to New York. You can make excuses and dismiss what's happening any way you want, but citing geography undermines your argument.

thaumasiotes 7y ago
> I'm not sure what you mean by "limited geography." The cases cited in the article cover nearly 3,000 miles from Utah to Illinois to New York. This is not an impressive response to >> Vaping has much more history in Asia and Europe and seems to be without cases like this.
US-only 7y ago
Uh, did you not notice that you've only managed to describe geographic locations limited to within United States borders. Borders constrained by trade agreements, and availability dictated by import/export and interstate trading jurisdictions for regulated psychoactive substances like nicotine and THC?

jijji 7y ago

yes thats because this article isnt about vaping nicotine/vg/pg, its about vaping thc/mineral oil (or any oil) which causes inflammation/damage to the lungs+death

phillipseamore 7y ago

So in NY everything seems to point to one juice with THC and very high levels of vitamin E acetate. https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vaping.htm https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2019/2019-09-05_vap...