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Those 500 million are easily eclipsed if you compare it to what Google's revenue is... EDIT: It was 136 billion in 2018: https://www.statista.com/statistics/26

Those 500 million are easily eclipsed if you compare it to what Google's revenue is... EDIT: It was 136 billion in 2018: https://www.statista.com/statistics/266206/googles-annual-global-revenue/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/266206/googles-annual-gl...

manojlds 7y ago
And Google builds only a browser? What's the budget of the Google Chrome team?
- AsyncAwait 7y ago
  Mozilla doesn't build only a browser either and as a Rust user, am glad they don't.
  - blub 7y ago
    The Rust community prides itself on being independent from Mozilla, when their relationship is pointed out, but now Rust is suddenly a major beneficiary of those 500 million? They do build only a browser.
    - AsyncAwait 7y ago
      > The Rust community prides itself on being independent from Mozilla, when their relationship is pointed out In terms of decision making, Rust is definitely a community oriented project, but there's not denying reality and at present practically all of Rust core devs who work on it full-time are paid by Mozilla. Were Mozilla to pull out support, development would likely continue, but at a much, much reduced pace. > a major beneficiary of those 500 million I agree with you that the vast majority of it is not going to Rust and I do wish they'd increase the share of their revenue that goes to engineering from 45% to something closer to 85%.
- dymk 7y ago
  If you’re wondering who spends more on their browser team, Google does
cosmodisk 7y ago
Even though Google is 250 times or so bigger, the point is still valid. Where the hell money gets spent? That kind of revenues are huge for any software company, especially for a one that is just making a browser.
- klingonopera 7y ago
  Just making a browser? It's the piece of software I'd least be willing to touch. Even Microsoft gave up and switched their core to Chromium. Considering that, it's quite amazing that Mozilla is capable of not just making a browser, but also an email client, with a budget of 500 million.
  - blub 7y ago
    MS didn't give up, their new strategy is similar to Google's, so they teamed up with Google to make Chrome an even better spying machine. They just have to change the telemetry URL in the source and replace the Google log in with their own.
  - brianpgordon 7y ago
    Microsoft still makes a browser; they just don't make their own rendering engine anymore. Which makes sense because it's hard and Blink works just fine. I wouldn't mind if Mozilla did the same thing. The Vivaldi folks are using that strategy and managing to make the best web browser out there with what I assume must be a microscopic fraction of $500 million/yr. And I don't share your opinion of how far a $500 million budget goes. They're not rewriting the entire thing every year.
    - AsyncAwait 7y ago
      > I wouldn't mind if Mozilla did the same thing. Then there would literally be no point to Firefox existing as a counterbalance to Google deciding the web's future.
      - brianpgordon 7y ago
Kostic 7y ago
But Google's revenue isn't only generated by Chrome. And even if it was, Mozilla shouldn't try to chase that revenue. It should generate only enough revenue to sustain and futher develop web technologies which allow people to stay free on the web.
- tomxor 7y ago
  > But Google's revenue isn't only generated by Chrome. It has been driven by chrome though (by having improved web standards in general - note the past-tense). However the future is looking far more murky, now on top they are making changes that benefit only google (crippling ad blockers for one).
- wongarsu 7y ago
  The majority of Google's revenue is generated through websites accessed via browsers. I don't know how much Google spends on controlling the browser market with Chrome, but I have little doubt that Google would spend a billion per year on it if they had to.
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manojlds 7y ago

And Google builds only a browser? What's the budget of the Google Chrome team?

AsyncAwait 7y ago
Mozilla doesn't build only a browser either and as a Rust user, am glad they don't.
- blub 7y ago
  The Rust community prides itself on being independent from Mozilla, when their relationship is pointed out, but now Rust is suddenly a major beneficiary of those 500 million? They do build only a browser.
  - AsyncAwait 7y ago
    > The Rust community prides itself on being independent from Mozilla, when their relationship is pointed out In terms of decision making, Rust is definitely a community oriented project, but there's not denying reality and at present practically all of Rust core devs who work on it full-time are paid by Mozilla. Were Mozilla to pull out support, development would likely continue, but at a much, much reduced pace. > a major beneficiary of those 500 million I agree with you that the vast majority of it is not going to Rust and I do wish they'd increase the share of their revenue that goes to engineering from 45% to something closer to 85%.
dymk 7y ago
If you’re wondering who spends more on their browser team, Google does

cosmodisk 7y ago

Even though Google is 250 times or so bigger, the point is still valid. Where the hell money gets spent? That kind of revenues are huge for any software company, especially for a one that is just making a browser.

klingonopera 7y ago
Just making a browser? It's the piece of software I'd least be willing to touch. Even Microsoft gave up and switched their core to Chromium. Considering that, it's quite amazing that Mozilla is capable of not just making a browser, but also an email client, with a budget of 500 million.
- blub 7y ago
  MS didn't give up, their new strategy is similar to Google's, so they teamed up with Google to make Chrome an even better spying machine. They just have to change the telemetry URL in the source and replace the Google log in with their own.
- brianpgordon 7y ago
  Microsoft still makes a browser; they just don't make their own rendering engine anymore. Which makes sense because it's hard and Blink works just fine. I wouldn't mind if Mozilla did the same thing. The Vivaldi folks are using that strategy and managing to make the best web browser out there with what I assume must be a microscopic fraction of $500 million/yr. And I don't share your opinion of how far a $500 million budget goes. They're not rewriting the entire thing every year.
  - AsyncAwait 7y ago
    > I wouldn't mind if Mozilla did the same thing. Then there would literally be no point to Firefox existing as a counterbalance to Google deciding the web's future.
    - brianpgordon 7y ago

Kostic 7y ago

But Google's revenue isn't only generated by Chrome. And even if it was, Mozilla shouldn't try to chase that revenue. It should generate only enough revenue to sustain and futher develop web technologies which allow people to stay free on the web.

tomxor 7y ago
> But Google's revenue isn't only generated by Chrome. It has been driven by chrome though (by having improved web standards in general - note the past-tense). However the future is looking far more murky, now on top they are making changes that benefit only google (crippling ad blockers for one).
wongarsu 7y ago
The majority of Google's revenue is generated through websites accessed via browsers. I don't know how much Google spends on controlling the browser market with Chrome, but I have little doubt that Google would spend a billion per year on it if they had to.

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