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Seems like an interesting language, but I'm very disappointed that my first attempt to view example code took 5 clicks. The most important part of any programm

Seems like an interesting language, but I'm very disappointed that my first attempt to view example code took 5 clicks. The most important part of any programming language website is a short example snippet: put it above the fold on the front page!

Semiapies 7y ago
I didn't even have to scroll down to see an example of code and usage.
- Varriount 7y ago
  Where? I don't see any example on the page linked to. Edit: Ah, the code example only appears for desktop browsers (or at least, browser windows wider than a phone screen).
  - Deimorz 7y ago
    And only if you have javascript enabled. And it's one of those trendy shitty live-typing demonstrations instead of just letting you read some text.
  - Semiapies 7y ago
    Works fine on my phone, though unlike desktop,I do have to scroll a little.
fractalf 7y ago
I gave up looking after 1min
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basics/Readme.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basi...
cosmotic 7y ago
Even worse, the examples are complex and incomplete.
- stefan_ 7y ago
  Or make me go blacklist this project and everything to do with it (largeCapital pop >5M)
  - robocat 7y ago
    I found this comment: "In V3 the hobby field is explicitly disallowed. This is not backwards compatibly as it breaks previous field that did contain a hobby field" in https://cuelang.org/docs/usecases/datadef/ https://cuelang.org/docs/usecases/datadef/ So if you add a field, you break existing code that doesn't know about the field.
    - yes-except-no 7y ago
      No. That's not what it says. However, if you had code that expected to receive a `hobby` field in V1, that tries to parse it and you removed it in V3, then yes, obviously, it breaks existing code. That is basic API design
    - spoondan 7y ago
      This is wrong. CUE has optional closed schemas marked by a double colon. The V3 entity you’re talking about is explicitly declared to be a closed definition and therefore disallows unknown fields in entities that claim to accord to the V3 type. Not all definitions are closed. Even for those that you choose to close, it’s a matter of having different code for different definitions. The claim that it just automatically breaks isn’t true even when closed definitions are used. BTW, this feature speaks to CUE’s intended purpose as a configuration language. It is (or at least can be) nice to ignore unknown fields in transmitted payloads for forwards and backwards compatibility. But if I’m trying to configure some software and misspell a field, I probably want the configuration file to fail validation, not have the software run with an unintended configuration.
squeaky-clean 7y ago
Can't see any examples in the github readme, or even in the codebase either.
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basics/Readme.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basi...
preommr 7y ago
Well at least you could find an example. I couldn't find anything after like a minute of searching. Unless we're counting the gif that slowly shows you an example project letter by letter.
- evolve2k 7y ago
  Someone please link to the code.
  - xinau 7y ago
    The website is under active development at the moment and their are incomplete parts. For the code links please take a look at the following tutorial on GitHub at the moment. * https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basics/Readme.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basi... * https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/kubernetes/README.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/kube...
seanmcdirmid 7y ago
Ya, first rule of PL promotion is that you have an example snippet of code in the first screen seen on your web page.
- chiefalchemist 7y ago
  Yup. Tell me what problem you solve for me, and then show me how you do that.
farah7 7y ago
"but I'm very disappointed that my first attempt to view example code took 5 clicks." Talk about first world problems. That this caused you to be "very disappointed" would suggest you need to take a step back and reevaluate your priorities.
- wilg 7y ago
  Are you familiar with the concept of context? It's helpful because it allows easier communication by not requiring words to mean the same thing at all times. In this case, it is helpful because we can scale our understanding of the poster's disappointment to allow us to not have to consider how it might be disappointing relative to, say, global thermonuclear war or a first kiss, but only need to think about it in relation to the other topics of discussion. I highly recommend using context whenever communicating.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  I can be disappointed when viewing a web page while simultaneously being disappointed in humanity's collective response to climate change. Context matters.

Semiapies 7y ago

I didn't even have to scroll down to see an example of code and usage.

Varriount 7y ago
Where? I don't see any example on the page linked to. Edit: Ah, the code example only appears for desktop browsers (or at least, browser windows wider than a phone screen).
- Deimorz 7y ago
  And only if you have javascript enabled. And it's one of those trendy shitty live-typing demonstrations instead of just letting you read some text.
- Semiapies 7y ago
  Works fine on my phone, though unlike desktop,I do have to scroll a little.

fractalf 7y ago

I gave up looking after 1min

michaelmrose 7y ago
https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basics/Readme.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basi...

cosmotic 7y ago

Even worse, the examples are complex and incomplete.

stefan_ 7y ago
Or make me go blacklist this project and everything to do with it (largeCapital pop >5M)
- robocat 7y ago
  I found this comment: "In V3 the hobby field is explicitly disallowed. This is not backwards compatibly as it breaks previous field that did contain a hobby field" in https://cuelang.org/docs/usecases/datadef/ https://cuelang.org/docs/usecases/datadef/ So if you add a field, you break existing code that doesn't know about the field.
  - yes-except-no 7y ago
    No. That's not what it says. However, if you had code that expected to receive a `hobby` field in V1, that tries to parse it and you removed it in V3, then yes, obviously, it breaks existing code. That is basic API design
  - spoondan 7y ago
    This is wrong. CUE has optional closed schemas marked by a double colon. The V3 entity you’re talking about is explicitly declared to be a closed definition and therefore disallows unknown fields in entities that claim to accord to the V3 type. Not all definitions are closed. Even for those that you choose to close, it’s a matter of having different code for different definitions. The claim that it just automatically breaks isn’t true even when closed definitions are used. BTW, this feature speaks to CUE’s intended purpose as a configuration language. It is (or at least can be) nice to ignore unknown fields in transmitted payloads for forwards and backwards compatibility. But if I’m trying to configure some software and misspell a field, I probably want the configuration file to fail validation, not have the software run with an unintended configuration.

squeaky-clean 7y ago

Can't see any examples in the github readme, or even in the codebase either.

michaelmrose 7y ago
https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basics/Readme.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basi...

preommr 7y ago

Well at least you could find an example. I couldn't find anything after like a minute of searching. Unless we're counting the gif that slowly shows you an example project letter by letter.

evolve2k 7y ago
Someone please link to the code.
- xinau 7y ago
  The website is under active development at the moment and their are incomplete parts. For the code links please take a look at the following tutorial on GitHub at the moment. * https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basics/Readme.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/basi... * https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/kubernetes/README.md https://github.com/cuelang/cue/blob/master/doc/tutorial/kube...

seanmcdirmid 7y ago

Ya, first rule of PL promotion is that you have an example snippet of code in the first screen seen on your web page.

chiefalchemist 7y ago
Yup. Tell me what problem you solve for me, and then show me how you do that.

farah7 7y ago

"but I'm very disappointed that my first attempt to view example code took 5 clicks." Talk about first world problems. That this caused you to be "very disappointed" would suggest you need to take a step back and reevaluate your priorities.

wilg 7y ago
Are you familiar with the concept of context? It's helpful because it allows easier communication by not requiring words to mean the same thing at all times. In this case, it is helpful because we can scale our understanding of the poster's disappointment to allow us to not have to consider how it might be disappointing relative to, say, global thermonuclear war or a first kiss, but only need to think about it in relation to the other topics of discussion. I highly recommend using context whenever communicating.
EpicEng 7y ago
I can be disappointed when viewing a web page while simultaneously being disappointed in humanity's collective response to climate change. Context matters.