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> That’s not their free time activities It is. It is open source. Just because it's public doesn't make it non free time. > I’m also not suggesting one should

by sebst 7y ago

> That’s not their free time activities It is. It is open source. Just because it's public doesn't make it non free time. > I’m also not suggesting one should audit all their software, but it’s good to know about what kind of software one is running. How does all this impact the software? Did this "kind of software" get "infected" by the views of its authors? How? I used to think that the good thing about open source software is that the result is neutral and open for anyone to inspect, improve and use.

kuschku 7y ago
> It is. It is open source. Just because it's public doesn't make it non free time. How is an official conference organized by the project itself "free time" and not related to the project? > How does all this impact the software? Did this "kind of software" get "infected" by the views of its authors? How? Open source is also about open community. With a project like suckless, I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable contributing to it, opening issues, or trying to submit pull requests, because I wouldn’t feel welcome in their community. In an open source community, where many of us would end up trying to give back, that’s a major factor in whether to use such a project.
- sebst 7y ago
  > How is an official conference organized by the project itself "free time" and not related to the project? I'm not saying that it is not related to the project. I'm saying that they are conducting the project in their free time. > Open source is also about open community. If you see how different people talk about their "tech stacks" (i.e. talk to a node module maintainer and a kernel hacker and you'll see the differences), it is a misconception that there is "one" open source community. Luckily, there are many. > I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable contributing to it Then don't. It would even understand if you'd advise people to avoid such conferences. But advising people, i.e. non involved end users, not to use the software is a bit far.
  - kuschku 7y ago
    The whole point of using free software — as you said yourself — is the ability to inspect and improve it. If improving that software is not possible in the same way as with other projects, which it is with suckless for some kind of people, then using the software is impacted by that.
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    > it is a misconception that there is "one" open source community. Luckily, there are many. Yeah, that's the point. That the community around this particular software has a rotten core.

by sebst 7y ago

kuschku 7y ago

> It is. It is open source. Just because it's public doesn't make it non free time. How is an official conference organized by the project itself "free time" and not related to the project? > How does all this impact the software? Did this "kind of software" get "infected" by the views of its authors? How? Open source is also about open community. With a project like suckless, I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable contributing to it, opening issues, or trying to submit pull requests, because I wouldn’t feel welcome in their community. In an open source community, where many of us would end up trying to give back, that’s a major factor in whether to use such a project.

sebst 7y ago
> How is an official conference organized by the project itself "free time" and not related to the project? I'm not saying that it is not related to the project. I'm saying that they are conducting the project in their free time. > Open source is also about open community. If you see how different people talk about their "tech stacks" (i.e. talk to a node module maintainer and a kernel hacker and you'll see the differences), it is a misconception that there is "one" open source community. Luckily, there are many. > I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable contributing to it Then don't. It would even understand if you'd advise people to avoid such conferences. But advising people, i.e. non involved end users, not to use the software is a bit far.
- kuschku 7y ago
  The whole point of using free software — as you said yourself — is the ability to inspect and improve it. If improving that software is not possible in the same way as with other projects, which it is with suckless for some kind of people, then using the software is impacted by that.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  > it is a misconception that there is "one" open source community. Luckily, there are many. Yeah, that's the point. That the community around this particular software has a rotten core.